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Backed against a wall(Canadian Health Care)
Globe andMail ^ | 12/20/03 | MARGARET WENTE

Posted on 12/20/2003 9:51:45 AM PST by Pikamax

Backed against a wall

By MARGARET WENTE Saturday, December 20, 2003 - Page A29

Kate Hansen can't remember exactly how long it's been since she was able to stand up straight. She thinks the last time was around 15 years ago.

At 44, Ms. Hansen is almost doubled over from a rare form of degenerative rheumatoid arthritis that causes her spine to curve. "I look like a question mark," she says. She has been avoiding corrective surgery for years, but now she knows she has no choice. "If I don't do it, I'll be looking through my knees to walk," she says with a rueful laugh.

But now, Ms. Hansen has discovered what hundreds of thousands of Canadians already know. Deciding to have surgery and getting it are two different things.

Marcel Dvorak, also 44, is Ms. Hansen's surgeon. He's the medical director of the spine program at Vancouver General Hospital, and one of Canada's top spine surgeons. Ms. Hansen finally got in to see him last July after several false starts to get the right referral. They agreed she was a good candidate for surgery, and his office told her she'd be contacted in the late fall or early winter. And that's pretty much the last she heard.

At this point, Dr. Dvorak isn't certain when he'll be able to perform the procedure that will allow Ms. Hansen to stand up straight again. That's because her surgery is "elective," as opposed to urgent, and these days his elective cases are constantly being bumped, with patients usually a year or so for surgery. "Yesterday, we were going to do three surgeries," he told me when I spoke with him last week. "We had to cancel all three because there were no beds."

There are many ways to ration health care, and one way is to close hospital beds. With far fewer beds than they had a few years ago, hospitals often have no room left over for anyone who's not acutely ill. Another way is to close operating rooms. "We're taking three weeks off -- that's the Christmas closure -- in order to save money," says Dr. Dvorak. "And then there's another closure over March break, and the summer closure right after that, and the reduced activity days. Those are days we're not allowed to work. There are 11 of those." Eleven years ago, when he began his practice, he got three days a week to perform elective surgeries. Now, it's down to about one day a week.

Ms. Hansen started thinking about corrective surgery around three years ago. She wasn't too concerned about the wait, because back then the wait for orthopedic surgery at Vancouver General -- after you had seen the specialist -- was just two weeks. The following year it was two months. Waiting times reflect the gap between supply and demand, and Ms. Hansen's wait is a measure of the growing dysfunction in our health care system. One year after the Romanow and Kirby reports, the gap is bigger than ever. And even though we're spending a record amount of money on health care -- $120-billion, or 10 per cent of GDP -- not a cent of it is moving her any faster toward a normal life.

Dr. Dvorak has about 60 patients on his critical list. Most, like Ms. Hansen, need major surgery, and it's not trivial to bump them. Yet nearly half his patients over the past year have had their surgeries postponed at least once. The day he spoke with me he was nearly exploding with frustration. "My secretary just got off the phone with two patients for tomorrow," he said. "We had to cancel them, too."

"I'm deteriorating slowly," explains Ms. Hansen. "My chest cavity is already compressed. I have 70 per cent lung capacity. My rib cage is tucked underneath my hipbone and my organs are squashed." She can no longer drive a car, and when she wants to cross the street she has to turn her entire body to check for traffic. She gets by with help from her husband and her 11-year-old daughter. "I don't complain about the pain because complaining doesn't get you anywhere," she says. But she wonders if she should have made a bigger deal about the pain. "Right now there are moments when it is just not bearable."

"I don't think people know how bad it is," says Dr. Dvorak. "It's got to the point where we are really hurting patients." If a patient deteriorates too much, the surgery could become more complex and riskier.

Dr. Dvorak sees conditions every day that he can't do anything about. Recently he saw a young woman with a massive disc protrusion in her back. She was so disabled she couldn't get up off the examining table. "It's something I could fix like that," he says. "She could probably have gone home the next day. But we couldn't get her into the hospital." He wonders if it's even ethical to see new patients at all when there's no chance he can help them.

Canada now performs fewer lumbar discectomies (a common form of back surgery) than any other developed nation in the world. And our specialists are leaving in droves. "Twelve of the 14 Canadian specialists we've trained have gone to the United States," Dr. Dvorak says. "How much did it cost to put them through medical school? A couple of million each?"

Dr. Dvorak loves public medicine, and would never move to the United States. But he also points out that Canada is the only leading nation in the world without a parallel private system. "We're going to have to start sending people elsewhere because we can't care for them all," he predicts. Meantime, if you think everyone is treated equally, he's got news for you. Everyone who can pulls strings. He often starts a visit by asking, "How did you get in to see me?"

"I know there are people who are worse off than I am," says Ms. Hansen. "But I also know that there are probably some people with louder voices who are in front of me."

But we Canadians are stoic. We think waiting lists are just the price we've got to pay for our fair and equitable health system. "People are deteriorating on our waiting lists until they come into emergency needing operations that can't wait any longer," says Dr. Dvorak. "We're more or less running a MASH unit. That's the feeling a majority of my colleagues would express to you."


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KEYWORDS: healthcare; socializedmedicine
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To: Polybius
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/eco_gdp_cap

1. Luxembourg $44,586.23 per person
2. United States $35,935.02 per person
3. Bermuda $34,396.5 per person
4. San Marino $33,898.31 per person
5. Cayman Islands $32,531.08 per person
6. Switzerland $31,635.21 per person
7. Norway $31,601.37 per person
8. Belgium $28,964.63 per person
9. Denmark $28,963.37 per person
10. Canada $28,932.08 per person

These stats are more accurate.
21 posted on 12/20/2003 12:17:26 PM PST by albertabound
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To: Pikamax
Ah yes, the benefits of socialized medicine. This is what Hillary and Dean want for America. Wait until your disease gets bad enough that you might not be able to be cured, ah well, then when you die you will no longer be a drain on the system. Kill off the weak, that's the socialist way.
22 posted on 12/20/2003 12:32:42 PM PST by McGavin999
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To: CanadianLibertarian

You can't really compare Canada, or any country to America, which is the richest nation in the world. Naturally, our standard of living and wages are much lower.

And how do Canadians account for that situation?

Well, I would have thought that would be clear. High taxes, a socialist economic system, massive economic regulations, out - of - control "social programs" etc.

Maybe I don't understand. If you think that socialism is what causes low wages and low standard of living then why are you supporting more socialist measures as a remedy for your health care system. Or were you being facetious?

23 posted on 12/20/2003 1:12:36 PM PST by Dan Evans
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To: Pikamax; Jim Noble; LadyDoc; hocndoc
re: "We're taking three weeks off -- that's the Christmas closure -- in order to save money," says Dr. Dvorak)))

No wonder this doc likes socialized medicine. He actually gets Christmas off!!

24 posted on 12/20/2003 1:15:05 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: CanadianLibertarian
Well, I would have thought that would be clear. High taxes, a socialist economic system, massive economic regulations, out - of - control "social programs" etc.

Oh. California.

25 posted on 12/20/2003 1:18:40 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Peace through Strength)
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To: CanadianLibertarian
Some of Canada's medical problems are not inherent to socialized medicine.

Possibly, but I don't think so. If you want to see a Canadian doctor, the best chance is to take a cruise, particularly in Nov and Dec. Canadian doctors who can't practice at home because of financial limits there often show up as ship's doctors. They get free passage for themselves and their families in exchange.

I think Canada would be better off to find a system where the doctors could work full time, all year round. It makes no sense to train the doctors and then limit the amount of time they can work.

26 posted on 12/20/2003 3:24:09 PM PST by speekinout
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To: Dan Evans
Maybe I don't understand. If you think that socialism is what causes low wages and low standard of living then why are you supporting more socialist measures as a remedy for your health care system. Or were you being facetious?

Well, relatively speaking, Canada's standard of living is far from low, just lower than America's. I don't think higher taxes on doctors who leave the country is "socialism", just a way to recoup the cost of training them. You need to understand, training a specialist can cost millions. Even a family doc needs a million bucks worth of education and training. In Canada, a doctor's education is virtually free, ten years of tuition for maybe 50,000 bucks. The taxpayer foots the bill for the rest. If the doctor in turn doesn not practise in Canada, I think it's reasonable to want to recoup the investment in his training.

Ideally of course, we wouldn't have socialized medicine at all. But pragmatically, in the context of the article, Canadian medicine can be improved by reducing training costs and retaining doctors.

27 posted on 12/20/2003 3:54:48 PM PST by CanadianLibertarian
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To: CanadianLibertarian
Sigh!

Your AVERAGE "Back Surgeon" has spent 12 years in "public School," 4 years in College, 4 years in Medical School, & 6-8 years in "Training" to be a "Neurosurgeon."

AND you want to FORCE this individual to "Care For" You're Aunt with a Backache??

LOOK; IF "The People" wish to have "Cheap, Government-Funded Medical Care," They are ENTITLED to have WHAT THEY PAY FOR!!

If "The People" want to have EXPERT MEDICAL CARE by Exquisitely Trained Medical Experts, then they HAVE TO PAY FOR the COST of that Training.

There is NO "Free Lunch!!"

As a "Country GP," I deliver Tens of Thousands of Dollars Worth of Free care to my Patients each year--Mostly as "Free Samples" given to me to Distribute to my Indigent Patients by the various Drug Companies, but also as "Free or Reduced Fee" services to our Indigent Patients.

NONE of this "Free CARE" EVER gets "Recorded by" ANY Government Entity. We Do "IT" because the Patients' NEED it.

We (& the Drug Companies) get NO credit for our Charity.

Just Projecting a FRACTION of our "Free Care" across America; I can Honestly, Humbly, & Conservatively estimate that there is SEVERAL BILLION DOLLARS worth of Medical Care UNRECORDED in our Nation each year.

If & WHEN the "HMO'S" are "Held to Account for" Their--often Medically Irrational--"savings," there will be Numerous Instances of MALPRACTICE-by-Insurance which have Harmed or KILLED Patients.

Individual Humans are SO DIFFERENT that there can be NO "Formula" for ANY Human "Condition."

The "Great Insurance Companies" have made the "Fatal Error" to assume that All "Humans" are the Same--that "Drug A" has the SAME EFFECT on "Patient A, as on Patient B!!"

The BEST any "Insurance Company can do is to "Go Back to "Actuary," because--in LARGE NUMBERS--we DO "act Similarly!!"

Doc

28 posted on 12/20/2003 5:12:45 PM PST by Doc On The Bay
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To: CanadianLibertarian

But why do you think that taxing Canadian doctors if they practice abroad will help? They still won't be practicing in Canada and that's what you need. And won't the taxes make them more inclined to leave Canada for good so they can't be taxed? That will just make things worse. What will you do then?

Ideally of course, we wouldn't have socialized medicine at all. But pragmatically, in the context of the article, Canadian medicine can be improved by reducing training costs and retaining doctors.

If you retrain them to become better doctors that will just make it easier for them to find work abroad.

It seems like quite a quagmire. The more socialistic you get, the higher the taxes, the worse the services get, so people demand fixes which require more state socialism.

 

 

29 posted on 12/20/2003 6:58:26 PM PST by Dan Evans
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To: Doc On The Bay
As a "Country GP," I deliver Tens of Thousands of Dollars Worth of Free care to my Patients each year--

Good for you. My grandfather was a "country doctor", as well -- one of only two in Grant County, Oklahoma. He was on call 24/7, in the worst kind of weather, and was often paid with a dozen eggs or a live chicken, if at all.

He told me once of assisting a birth after fording a flooding river in a horse and buggy, when he was newly arrived in Oklahoma, shortly after it became a state in 1907.

It is an honorable calling. One of the most honorable I know...

30 posted on 12/20/2003 7:16:13 PM PST by okie01 (www.ArmorforCongress.com...because Congress isn't for the morally halt and the mentally lame.)
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To: Doc On The Bay
How does an independent practitioner determine his prices? Do you just adjust your rates until supply meets demand?
31 posted on 12/20/2003 8:14:40 PM PST by Dan Evans
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