Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Decision day for fusion project [Build in Japan or France?]
BBC NEWS ^ | 2003/12/20 | Unsigned [Letter to Editor]

Posted on 12/20/2003 7:50:58 AM PST by aculeus

Scientists are meeting in Washington to decide where to build the world's first big nuclear fusion reactor. Nuclear fusion holds out the promise of virtually limitless pollution-free energy - but the reactor will take 10 years to build.

The multi-billion dollar project is likely to be based either in Cadarache in France or in Rokkasho-mura in Japan.

But the US is opposing the French option because of France's opposition to the invasion of Iraq.

Pros and cons

Member countries of the International Thermonuclear Experimental Reactor (Iter) project have been gathering in the US to make a final decision on the location of the project.

The Japanese site has the advantages of proximity to a port, a ground of solid bedrock and a nearby US military base.

The French site offers an existing research facility and a more moderate climate.

The experts are supposed to reach a consensus based on objective criteria, but observers say that the wider political context may play a part.

A French government envoy, Pierre Lellouche, said "very intense" talks were being held at a high-level before the meeting.

The European Union is backing France - but Canada, China, Russia, South Korea, the United States and Tokyo itself are reported to be favouring Japan.

The US, in particular, has raised objections to the French option, citing its opposition to the Iraq invasion.

"We have the structure, scientific and technical environment to ensure that this scheme can start up with competence, expertise and solid safety guarantees," French Research Minister Claudie Haignere said.

"If our site is chosen, Japan will cover the costs that are needed," said Hidekazu Tanaka, a senior official of the Japanese Education, Culture, Sports, Science and Technology ministry.

Self-sustaining

Iter is the boldest nuclear initiative since the Manhattan Project - the effort to build the first atom bomb, says BBC News Online's science editor David Whitehouse.

It would also be the world's largest international co-operative research and development project after the International Space Station.

Scientists say it will be the first fusion device to produce thermal energy at the level of an electricity-producing power station.

Its goal will be to produce 500 megawatts of fusion power for 500 seconds or longer during each individual fusion experiment and, in doing so, demonstrate essential technologies for a commercial reactor.

But they are all agreed that taming the power of the Sun will not be easy.

The superhot gas in which the fusion takes place is notoriously difficult to control.

The gas, termed a plasma, has to be kept hot and contained for fusion to take place. So far, no one has achieved a prolonged self-sustaining fusion event.

Advocates of fusion power point out that if they succeed, there is an almost limitless supply of power available because the deuterium atoms on which it would be based can be derived from seawater.

© BBC MMIII


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; Japan; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: energy; france; fusion; japan; nuclearpower

1 posted on 12/20/2003 7:50:58 AM PST by aculeus
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

Comment #2 Removed by Moderator

Comment #3 Removed by Moderator

To: Veracruz
Or I should say, why isn't America even an option? Why just Japan and France?

I think it is hopeless.

Can you imagine the junk science enviro-Democrat boobs agreeing to such a facility?

Not in my lifetime.

4 posted on 12/20/2003 7:57:34 AM PST by aculeus
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: aculeus
Can you imagine the junk science enviro-Democrat boobs agreeing to such a facility?

Not in my lifetime.

I guess we will have to do it without their 'permission'.

To hell with the greenie/commies.

5 posted on 12/20/2003 8:05:39 AM PST by LibKill (You are not sheeple. Refuse to be clipped.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: aculeus
Can you imagine the junk science enviro-Democrat boobs

If the looney tunes were right, I'd vote for France.


6 posted on 12/20/2003 8:06:35 AM PST by putupon ("Borders? We don' need no steenkin' borders!"-Presidente Jorge Dubya del Rino Arbusto)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: aculeus
If it is built in France, here's a GUARANTEE. Within the first 3 years, French employees wil strike, making it impossible to operate the facility for anywhere from a week to six months. They will strike over something like too little garlic in the corn flakes, the imposition of anti-body odor rules, clean up your dog's waste rules or something some guy in Poland did or said.

The French will push their neocommunist leaders to drop the work week ffrom 35 hours to 32.5 hours with even more holiday time, at a slight increase in aggregate pay. Why would you even visit France, much less establish a facility there?

7 posted on 12/20/2003 8:14:17 AM PST by Tacis
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: aculeus
in a choice between France and Japan, a specific factor must be weighed: Which nation contains fewer Muslims?
8 posted on 12/20/2003 8:42:36 AM PST by King Prout (...he took a face from the ancient gallery, then he... walked on down the hall....)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Veracruz
Why just one? Why is this a joint effort anyway? If both Japan and France want to build one, what business is it of ours?
9 posted on 12/20/2003 8:48:00 AM PST by Dog Gone
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Veracruz
"Why isn't it being built in America?"

Are you kidding? There isn't a chance in hell that the environmentalists would ever allow such a device to be built! It likely isn't worth the hassle and court challenges to even propose such a thing.

Algore's legacy?
10 posted on 12/20/2003 9:07:49 AM PST by Bean Counter
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: King Prout
"The Japanese site has the advantages of proximity to a port, a ground of solid bedrock and a nearby US military base."

Building a science facility? Then follow the technical needs. Japan fits by the qualifications above, the military base being a biggie. Especially a U.S. base.

"The French site offers an existing research facility and a more moderate climate."

There could be a monetary advantage to having an existing lab, but not that much. And the climate? Please. I daresay the lab will be air-conditioned? France doesn't fit too well on this set of quals, and your insinuation is generally correct: France isn't a very freindly host country at the moment for a variety of reasons.

11 posted on 12/20/2003 9:09:18 AM PST by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: All
I'd almost say build it in france just for the possibitlity it could blow up that wonderful place. But then the reality that the Muslim population will soon control their country makes me think Japan is the correct option.
12 posted on 12/20/2003 9:15:58 AM PST by jempet
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: aculeus
10 Years to build? What's the price-tag?

This is just a big experiment. France/Japan can have it...better yet, let them pay for it.

When fusion based power plants are economically viable the free-market will have them popping up all over.

13 posted on 12/20/2003 9:16:14 AM PST by SC Swamp Fox (Aim small, miss small.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: aculeus
If there is a chance that something could go wrong and eradicate all life for a 200 mile radius I vote for France.
14 posted on 12/20/2003 9:18:04 AM PST by CWOJackson
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: jempet
No dice. The fusion process for power is not the same as it is for bombs, and merely fails to sustain if it doesn't work. You might pop a transformer or something, but that's about it.
15 posted on 12/20/2003 9:24:13 AM PST by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: Veracruz
Or I should say, why isn't America even an option? Why just Japan and France?

Because Japan and France - yes, France - are the only major industrial countries that don't have a flat-Earth movement. You can do genetic engneering or nuclear development in these places without fear that someone will shoot your researchers and trash their labs. China doesn't have Luddites either, but is too new at the whole industrialization thing to be in contention so far, Perhaps it will be next on the list.

16 posted on 12/20/2003 9:26:16 AM PST by BlazingArizona
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Frank_Discussion
mm-hmmm!
for some strange reason I'm way more inclined to trust the nihonjin than les grenouilles.
17 posted on 12/20/2003 9:39:33 AM PST by King Prout (...he took a face from the ancient gallery, then he... walked on down the hall....)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson