1 posted on
12/20/2003 7:27:02 AM PST by
aculeus
To: aculeus
Drunk on Liberty is OK. Drunk on Duty deserves 30 lashes.
2 posted on
12/20/2003 7:35:48 AM PST by
LibKill
(You are not sheeple. Refuse to be clipped.)
To: aculeus
I see no mention of BAC. I do see a mention of a zero tolerance policy. If he had one freakin' beer, this is just more of the safety nazi stuff.
I'd get on a plane with a pilot who had one.
3 posted on
12/20/2003 7:37:56 AM PST by
Lazamataz
(Posted by SarcastoTron version 1.2 (c) 2001. All rights reserved.)
To: aculeus
. . . Mr Harwell, who lived in Britain with his family, had been with the airline 14 years and had an "unblemished record".OK, I suspect there is more to this story if the pilot has that kind of record. I'm wondering whether the man was reacting to medication, for example?
Considering there is a second pilot on the flight deck, safety isn't in fact that much of an issue IMO. Had he gotten in his seat my guess is there would not have been a problem unless his behavior had presented a difficulty to the other pilot.
4 posted on
12/20/2003 7:39:56 AM PST by
toddst
To: aculeus
Alright, the issue with alcohol in the air is this. Pilots are taught in primary training that there is a legal 8 hour rule between their last drink, and going flying. Legally, after excessive drinking you can't fly for 24 hours. Although I agree that one beer at sea level does very little harm, and people are allowed to operate cars with no problem. But at 5000 feet above sea level, the effect of alcohol is approximately doubled. It goes up exponentially from there. Airline cabins are usually pressurized passing through 8000 feet above sea level. You can see how this is a problem. The reason the airlines have a zero-tolerance rule about alcohol, is because the regulations do.
9 posted on
12/20/2003 8:36:29 AM PST by
AntiKev
(Little Timmy was a chemist, little Timmy is no more. Cause what Timmy thought was H2O, was H2SO4.)
To: aculeus
Notice how quick the BBC was to point out that the pilot was an American?
To: aculeus
I've worked in the Flight Training Industry for 25 years, and I can clearly state that Drinking and Flying don't mix. Many years ago before the Drinking and driving campaigns started, pilots were notorious for drinking and having DUI's on their drivers license. I'm sure many drank prior to flying, as well as in the air on certain airlines.
The recent crackdown on alcohol use in the Airline industry was widely needed as many in the field of aviation were just plain drunks. Those who lost their jobs due to auto related DUI's was an excellent start. Although their are many sober people in aviation now. Their are still too many who slip through the cracks with severe drinking problems. Most people would be shocked if they knew how bad the problem really was. One Airline I formerly worked for before they went bankrupt, had at least a 50% alcoholism rate if not higher.
The fact that someone slips up and goes on a bender before having to fly is going to happen once in awhile in this day and age. 15-25 years ago, I imagine most pilots would have passed through without question. Society has changed considerably on alcohol use and abuse, and it's no longer laughed at or tolerated. I'm not some crazed anti-alcohol nut, Just do it on your own time and in a manner that will not endanger others.
11 posted on
12/20/2003 8:48:58 AM PST by
herkbird
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