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Libertarian Harry Browne: Bush Did Not Liberate Iraq
HarryBrowne.org ^ | Dec 15, 2003 | Harry Browne

Posted on 12/17/2003 8:04:12 PM PST by Commie Basher

Sunday's capture of Saddam Hussein made it a great day — a great day for empty rhetoric and meaningless posturing by politicians and journalists.

Somehow it was assumed by politicians and the press, without explanation, that Hussein's capture has vindicated the Bush administration's attack on Iraq. But from September 2002 to March 2003, George Bush said nothing about capturing Saddam Hussein. Instead, Bush talked incessantly about weapons of mass destruction and Iraq's ability to attack the U.S. with them — as well as Al Qaeda camps in the Iraqi desert. How does finding Saddam Hussein make Bush's claims any more true than they were last week?

We're told that that the Iraqis can see now that Saddam Hussein isn't coming back to power — as though they couldn't figure that out for themselves with 130,000 foreign troops occupying their country.

But in the wonderland occupied by politicians and journalists, the capture of Hussein must mean that all the resisters — also known as "loyalists of the old regime" — would have no more reason to resist.

Some politicians said that if anti-war protesters had their gotten way, Hussein would be in his palace today, instead of in jail. Yes, and if the anti-war protesters had gotten their way, several hundred Americans and thousands of Iraqis would be alive today, instead of dead.

The press played its part in the celebration. Wolf Blitzer of CNN said that Hussein's capture proves to the world that "the President of the United States means business" — whatever that means.

In fact, we've known all along that George Bush means business — the business of getting reelected.

There were plenty of TV pictures of Iraqis firing AK-47s into the air. But no inquiring minds bothered to ask how everyday Iraqis could be carrying AK-47s out in the open, when the American occupiers have imposed strict gun-control edicts and are at war with resisters.

What if Saddam Hussein says that all the dreaded Weapons of Mass Destruction were destroyed years ago? Well, we know that George Bush believes in preemptive strikes, and he's already made one on this front. On Monday, he said of Hussein:

He’s a liar. He’s a torturer. He’s a murderer. . . . He’s a — he’s just — he is what he is: He’s a person that was willing to destroy his country and to kill a lot of his fellow citizens. He’s a person who used weapons of mass destruction against citizens in his own country. And so it’s — he is the kind of person that is untrustworthy and I’d be very cautious about relying upon his word in any way, shape or form.

In other words, "Believe him only if he confirms what I've been telling you for the past year."

Liberation

Donald Rumsfeld said that Hussein's capture means that the Iraqis can now be free in spirit, as well as in fact.

Ah yes, liberated Iraq. It is now a free country. George Bush has liberated it.

How has Iraq been liberated? Let me count the ways . . .

1. The country is occupied by a foreign power.

2. Its officials are appointed by that foreign power.

3. Its citizens must carry ID cards.

4. They must submit to searches of their persons and cars at checkpoints and roadblocks.

5. They must be in their homes by curfew time.

6. Many towns are ringed with barbed wire.

7. The occupiers have imposed strict gun-control laws, preventing ordinary citizens from defending themselves — making robberies, rapes, and assaults quite common.

8. Trade with some countries is banned by the occupying authorities.

9. The occupiers have decreed that certain electoral outcomes won't be permitted.

10. Families are held hostage until they reveal the whereabouts of wanted resisters — much like the Nazis held innocent French people hostage during World War II.

11. Protests are outlawed.

12. Private homes are raided or demolished — with no due process of law.

13. The occupiers have created a fiat currency and imposed it on the populace.

14. Newspapers, radio stations, and TV are all supervised by the occupiers.

This is liberation in the NewSpeak language of politics.

Words like freedom just don't seem to mean what they used to, do they?


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 1gawdwhatanasshole; bush; harrybrowne; iraq; iraqwar; liberaltarians; libertarianparty; libertarians; losertarians; punklibertarians; saddamhussein; smurfs
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To: breakem
"Allow me to be irresponsible, and I'll allow you all to pay for the consequences of my irresponsibility." Such a swell deal!
61 posted on 12/17/2003 8:50:46 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: BCrago66; MeeknMing; Ragtime Cowgirl; Shooter 2.5; Alamo-Girl; PhilDragoo; potlatch; ntnychik; ...





Washington DC has been 100% gun banned for over 27 years and according to the 1999 Clinton-Reno-Freeg FBI/DOJ Uniform Crime Report had 301 handgun murders in a city of only 340,000 population.

Bagdad has many citizens running around with AK47s and many other firearms; we saw them celebrating by firing them into the air last weekend when the US 4th Infantry captured saddam Hussein.

Bagdad has only about 25 million people total population.

Even though Bagdad is actually still a dangeous war zone, there are far less killings of miltary and civilians every week in gagdad then in Washington DC.

The USA has had about 200 military killed in wartime combat since spring 2003 and about 100 killed in work related accidents.

OK Harry Browne, you claimed Iraq was completely disarmed.

Did you mean DC?

What is your "Exit Plan" for Washington DC?

Go at it!

"Liberate US!"

62 posted on 12/17/2003 8:52:09 PM PST by autoresponder (SLICK http://0access.tripod.com/legacy.html OLDIES BG MUSIC: http://0access.tripod.com/slick.html)
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To: Commie Basher
This guy Harry Browne needs psychological help, Here we have a Tyrannical Dictator that has been a menace to us and the entire middle east. A man who has killed hundreds of thousands of his own people and attacked his neighbors with the expressed intent to rule the middle east. A man that jailed the children of anyone who stepped out of line, ordered the rape of the wives of those he considered not loyal enough. A man who would throw his people off the roof of a 4 story building for praying too much. A man who was feared by every single person in Iraq, and this useless POS doesn't think the people of Iraq have been liberated!!!

Maybe Harry Browne thinks that once the statue fell in Baghdad, all of Saddam's thugs, (who were handsomely rewarded for their loyalty), would just lay down their arms and join in the celebration? I wonder if this mental midget H. Browne understands what it takes to remove a Dictator? Does he think the liberating force would not round up all king pins of the Regime and round up all the supporters of the Regime? Does he think that our forces would not have to round up Saddam's henchmen?

Message to Harry Browne:
The people of Iraq have been liberated from a Tyrant and when the security threat is gone and the Iraqi people are capable of governing themselves, we will leave if asked, and stay if they need us to provide security while they get back on their feet. Do you not listen to what this administration has been saying?

Harry Browne, your irrelevance gets clearer every time you put your thoughts into words. You can ignore the threat these terrorist present if you want! I thank God that we have a leader who can see past the front row, something you are not capable of doing.... You see! It's a vision thing!!!

63 posted on 12/17/2003 8:52:31 PM PST by MJY1288 (The Democrats Have Reached Rock Bottom and The Digging Continues)
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To: Cultural Jihad
I am pointing out that your comment is contradictory. If you need the government to instill responsibility or to discourage individual irresponsibility than it is not INDIVIDUAL. That's all.

You only have to say, gee you have a point there. But as a person who often cites the government and societal "responsibility" to protect people from sin and violating the commandments, I can understand how you'd make such an obvious mistake.

64 posted on 12/17/2003 8:52:50 PM PST by breakem
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To: Cultural Jihad
your 61 repeats the same mistake. If I allow it or permit it it is not "individual" on your part. Capiche?
65 posted on 12/17/2003 8:53:50 PM PST by breakem
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To: Commie Basher
You yourself spoke too soon when you wrote on December 13th: "I don't buy any of this. I believe that both Osama and Saddam are long since dead, and the Bush administration knows it."
66 posted on 12/17/2003 8:54:44 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Commie Basher
But from September 2002 to March 2003, George Bush said nothing about capturing Saddam Hussein.

Just what in the heck does he think regime change means?!!

Time after time in the period from September '02 to March '03 the President made reference to "disarming Saddam." Does Brown think that meant amputating his appendages? Sheesh!

67 posted on 12/17/2003 8:55:10 PM PST by kayak (We got him!)
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To: sinkspur; Poohbah; dighton; veronica; BOBTHENAILER; Dog; section9; Howlin; Miss Marple
If I said what I really thought about this, I'd get a time out.
68 posted on 12/17/2003 8:55:43 PM PST by hchutch ("I don't see what the big deal is, I really don't." - Major Vic Deakins, USAF (ret.))
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To: Cultural Jihad
So the Libertarian position is that personal irresponsibility is some kind of right?

No, their position is that laws are instituted to protect individuals from other individuals, not from being dumb. You want a nannystate, go find one, there's no where else for people interested in liberty to go...

69 posted on 12/17/2003 8:58:12 PM PST by Gunslingr3
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To: Gunslingr3
Yeah, the Republocrat welfare/warfare state is much better than liberty

I agree that the GOP's domestic agenda is nearly the same as the RATs, but voting for the Losertarians aren't going to get you anywhere except get more RATs elected.

70 posted on 12/17/2003 8:58:18 PM PST by ServesURight (FReecerely Yours,)
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To: ServesURight
Unfortunately too much of capital-L libertarianism is too much academic rambling. The idea of having to balance on good vs another or having to make hard choices is alien to many - much better to live in the world of simple abstractions where no sacrifices or difficult decisions have to be made.
71 posted on 12/17/2003 8:58:28 PM PST by garbanzo (Free people will set the course of history)
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To: Kevin Curry
Good point.
72 posted on 12/17/2003 8:59:40 PM PST by Deb (My Tag Skies to Gotham & Con-Fabs With Net Prexies)
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To: Commie Basher
Thanks for reminding me not to waste my vote on a selfish and incredibly ignorant candidate like Brown, Not only is he toostupid to be President, he doesn't have enough brains to be a candidate.
73 posted on 12/17/2003 9:00:21 PM PST by cookcounty (Howard Dean, mayor of a picturesque small town in New England.)
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To: gatorbait
Just another reason I can't take libertarians seriously - if they were in charge in the 1940's we'd be speaking German now.
74 posted on 12/17/2003 9:03:50 PM PST by DesertSapper (--- There's a place for all God's creatures . . . next to the mashed potatoes!----)
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To: Commie Basher
Ah, Harry Browne. The same guy who came out when the flames on the WTC were still fresh with an article attacking the United States and saying we deserved what we got.

My, how valuable and credible his opinions are.
75 posted on 12/17/2003 9:04:08 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: ServesURight
I agree that the GOP's domestic agenda is nearly the same as the RATs, but voting for the Losertarians aren't going to get you anywhere except get more RATs elected.

If there is no difference, what difference does it make?

76 posted on 12/17/2003 9:04:56 PM PST by Gunslingr3
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To: Chris Tucker
I hate the Libertarians. They gave Jim Doyle here in WI the governorship on a silver platter.

A bunch of fringe fanatic losers. They'll never get more than .0000000000000000000000000000000001 of the vote.

I have to ask: If they never get more than .0000000000000000000000000000000001% of the vote, how did they give Jim Doyle the governorship of Wisconsin on a silver platter? If you're going to bash the LP, you can at least avoid contradicting yourself. Either A) they always garner a laughably small portion of the vote, or B) they sometimes soak up a portion just large enough to "give" elections to the Democrats. Pick one and stick with it.

As for myself, which to fully support, if either, is the perfect quandary, and I've bounced back and forth countless times. For all their rhetoric, the GOP by and large does squat to advance liberty and restore the Constitution, and often retards both, but the LP never gets the oppurtunity. What's a conscientious socialist-hating, liberty-loving Constitutionalist to do?

I have yet to decide.

77 posted on 12/17/2003 9:05:33 PM PST by ForOurFuture
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To: Commie Basher
Darn it, this guy makes us Libertarians look crazier and crazier (and we don't need any help). Our ideas are sound, but our nut-cases seem always to define us. I feel a little like a quiet Muslim, trying to make my humble way for myself and my family, being defined by Osama bin Ladin.

If Browne really cared about the Libertarian Party, he'd join the Greens. He'd fit right in.
78 posted on 12/17/2003 9:06:39 PM PST by Starve The Beast (I used to be disgusted, but now I try to be amused)
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To: Commie Basher
Darn it, this guy makes us Libertarians look crazier and crazier (and we don't need any help). Our ideas are sound, but our nut-cases seem always to define us. I feel a little like a quiet Muslim, trying to make my humble way for myself and my family, being defined by Osama bin Ladin.

If Browne really cared about the Libertarian Party, he'd join the Greens. He'd fit right in.
79 posted on 12/17/2003 9:06:58 PM PST by Starve The Beast (I used to be disgusted, but now I try to be amused)
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To: Gunslingr3

By golly, you're right! Both parties are opposed to the burning down of public schools. Both parties are opposed to open immigration. Both parties are opposed to bazooka-toting crank-heads walking downtown with impunity.

80 posted on 12/17/2003 9:08:56 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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