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State Department urges non-essential diplomats...
Drudge ^

Posted on 12/17/2003 1:37:22 PM PST by RoughDobermann

and families of American officials to leave Saudi Arabia...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: saudiarabia; statedept; travelwarning; usembassy
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To: Smogger
Yep! Your my new best friend Smogger ;) Good to be validated.
101 posted on 12/17/2003 10:29:56 PM PST by JustPiper (Saddam gives new meaning to "Ace in the Hole")
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To: lelio
These warnings are quite common.

Below is the link to the Yahoo search on warnings for Americans re Saudi Arabia:

http://search.yahoo.com/search?x=op&va=State+Department+Warnings+Saudi+Arabia&va_vt=any&vst=0&vd=all&fl=0&ei=ISO-8859-1&vm=p&n=20

What is critical here is the last two warnings had the suicide terrorists bombing housing in Saudi land in 48 to 72 hours.
102 posted on 12/17/2003 11:45:50 PM PST by Grampa Dave (George $orea$$ has owned and controlled the Rats for decades!)
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To: Eagle Eye
Nope, how do I get on?
103 posted on 12/18/2003 6:19:29 AM PST by Bikers4Bush (Bush and Co. are quickly convincing me that the Constitution Party is our only hope.)
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To: Bikers4Bush
Register at your local US embassy.

You do have a local US embassy, don't you?
104 posted on 12/18/2003 6:47:14 AM PST by Eagle Eye ( Saddam-Who's your Bagh-Daddy now?)
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To: Eagle Eye
For a ping list?
105 posted on 12/18/2003 6:51:38 AM PST by Bikers4Bush (Bush and Co. are quickly convincing me that the Constitution Party is our only hope.)
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To: doug from upland
"D..D..Don't shoot! I have back issues of 'Hustler'..!"


106 posted on 12/18/2003 7:35:03 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (NORTH KOREA is a DANGEROUS CANCER in late stages; we still only meditate and take herbal medicines)
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To: RoughDobermann
State Department urges non-essential diplomats...

One of my former employers had a "great" little program like this...

On the last day before every major holiday, they announced that "all non-essential employees" could leave at early...

No one left early!

107 posted on 12/18/2003 8:16:10 AM PST by Onelifetogive
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To: JustPiper
Please add me to your ping list.
108 posted on 12/18/2003 10:40:07 AM PST by jerseygirl
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To: Truth666
Checkmate by the Jihadists. They are feeling the Bush/US squeezeplay and know that Iran and Syria are next. They lost Iraq and they need a new space to play from in their terrorist chess game. Time for them to try to use Saudi Arabia for a new base to replace the old one.
109 posted on 12/18/2003 12:51:56 PM PST by Lijahsbubbe (One person CAN change the world, but most of the time, you probably shouldn't)
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To: kabar
Whatever one may feel about the Saudi Royal family, it is better than anything I can see on the horizon.

The Saudi royal family has played with fire, and now is being burned. They might be the best thing for Saudi Arabia but they have funded and exported terrorism while playing at being Western when in the west. Their split personality has both sides despising them. They have made none happy, and are now boths enemy.

We can no longer come to their aid, our people will not allow it nor will their muslims allow us. There is nothing good on the horizon for Saudi Arabia, the home to islamic shrines. Islam will not allow it to join the world in peace nor modernize. Saudi Arabia will remain in darkness of slavery, war, and warlords and despots until it throws off islam which will not happen. The rest of the islamic world will fight to keep Saudi Arabia in darkness of fundamental islam(yes those who actually follow what is written).

There is no hope of freedom or joining the world. Just the razor edge of falling off the cliff the princes have straddled to keep the country from falling. That edge is cutting harder and harder, there is not much left between the princes and the abyss. It is just a matter of how long, 1 year or 50. The amazing thing is that they lasted this long in a world of clans.

110 posted on 12/18/2003 1:50:23 PM PST by Lady Heron
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To: Lady Heron
There is nothing good on the horizon for Saudi Arabia, the home to islamic shrines.

Ultimately, I think the civilized world is going to arrange things so that the part with the oil is under acceptable government and the part with the shrines is cordoned off.

111 posted on 12/18/2003 3:56:45 PM PST by steve-b
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To: Lady Heron
I wouldn't write off Saudia Arabia and the Kingdom so fast. There are plenty of negatives, e.g. demographics (a high birth rate coupled with a lack of jobs), a debtor nation (after paying us over $25 billion for Gulf War 1), and a large, unhappy Islamic fundamentalist population, which is becoming harder and harder to buy off. The Saudi GDP per capita has fallen from $28,000 in the early 90s to about $6,000 today.

That said, as long as the global economy depends on oil, Saudi Arabia is indispensable. The Kingdom has the largest proven reserves of oil in the world, which are more that 21/2 times larger than Iraq and almost 12 times larger than the US. Moreover, the Kingdom is the largest source of exportable oil. Although the US gets only about 10% of its oil imports from the Kingdom, the effect on the world economy remains the same. All oil is fungible.

Should the supply of Saudi oil be disrupted significantly by a takeover by Islamic fundamentalists from within or for some other reason, the world economy will be affected tremendously. It will make the gas lines and inflation of the seventies pale in comparison. We will and should aid the Saudis to keep the oil flowing. We have advocated a more participatory form of government (a majelis) and other reforms. They should ween themselves away from dependence upon the 6 to 8 million foreign workers who run their hospitals, oil fields, airports, and even pick up the garbage.

I don't know what you mean by modernization, but Saudi Arabia is a very modern country in terms of infrastructure. The roads, airports, port facilities, electrical generation, telephones, etc. are the equal of almost any developed country on earth. It is the society that needs to make the transition to the 21st century, which is not atypical of Islamic countries. It will be a difficult transition, but we have a lot invested in the outcome.

112 posted on 12/18/2003 3:57:44 PM PST by kabar (1.)
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To: Lady Heron
By the by, there are no warlords in Saudi Arabia. The central government through the royal network populated by numerous princes runs the entire country. It is by no means an Afghanistan. The murder and crime rates are among the lowest in the world.
113 posted on 12/18/2003 4:05:06 PM PST by kabar (1.)
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To: kabar
By the by, there are no warlords in Saudi Arabia. The central government through the royal network populated by numerous princes runs the entire country. It is by no means an Afghanistan. The murder and crime rates are among the lowest in the world.

I think you know what I ment. The country is populated by different "families" who would love to see power fall into their hands. Murder and crime rates have nothing to do with this place being a hell hole for its people no matter the benifits. I as a woman would never want to live there, and pity those who do. Lets not even get into their justice system, what a crock.

114 posted on 12/18/2003 5:12:32 PM PST by Lady Heron
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To: kabar
I don't know what you mean by modernization, but Saudi Arabia is a very modern country in terms of infrastructure

Cute you know what I mean. A mid-evil society with cars and planes is still a backward mid-evil society. There is no freedom there, nor can there be. No true islamic society can ever atain freedom. And thus always dissastisified people willing to join the revolution or fight jihad. Thus always the iron-fist rule.

115 posted on 12/18/2003 5:21:15 PM PST by Lady Heron
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To: jerseygirl
You will be pinged ;)
116 posted on 12/18/2003 5:29:14 PM PST by JustPiper (Following the course of least resistance makes for crooked rivers and crooked men)
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To: kabar
Should the supply of Saudi oil be disrupted significantly by a takeover by Islamic fundamentalists from within or for some other reason, the world economy will be affected tremendously.

Where are those oil wells, in populated portions of the country??? Can Saudi Arabia defend themselves from Europe and China/Asia?

Do you honestly think the world would allow their economies to falter? Islam is playing a very dangerous game and does not realize it. It might take down the royal family, but do you honestly think that the world will allow it to take down them also? Somehow I do not think that others will respect islam's holy land if it begins to affect them badly. You thought we got mean after 9-11, we have always played nice compaired to others.

117 posted on 12/18/2003 5:31:16 PM PST by Lady Heron
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To: Lady Heron
The country is populated by different "families" who would love to see power fall into their hands. Murder and crime rates have nothing to do with this place being a hell hole for its people no matter the benifits. I as a woman would never want to live there, and pity those who do. Lets not even get into their justice system, what a crock.

LOL You seem to have bought into the cartoon version of Saudi Arabia that the media likes to portray. It is far from being a hell hole. Boring yes. There is sexual aparthied, but as long as you don't try to change the culture, it is bearable. My wife lived there five years with me and had no problem with it. She actually enjoyed it. There are plenty of expatriate Western women who work and live in Saudi Arabia. Women in Saudi society actually have a lot more power than you think.

118 posted on 12/18/2003 5:34:59 PM PST by kabar
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To: kabar
Oh please, your wife drove, worked in public, could walk around in normal clothing not dressed in an all covering sack so as not to be raped by men who can not control themselves unless the woman is covered and not seen, talk to anybody about anything (man or woman) she wanted to, did not need a man in public places to go with her, not to mention go to Synagog or Church with her Bible. Or was this just in the compound you lived in that she enjoyed freedom.
119 posted on 12/18/2003 5:42:08 PM PST by Lady Heron
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To: Lady Heron
You seem to have a visceral dislike for Islam. With more than a billion people professing the faith and the number increasing daily, it is not going to go away.

There is a wide spectrum of the ways Islam is practiced throughout the world. Islam in Turkey, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, and the Kingdom, to name a few, is practiced much differently. The militant fundamentalists are the ones we need to deal with. Islam needs a reformation movement just like Christianity had.

120 posted on 12/18/2003 5:49:49 PM PST by kabar
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