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1 posted on 12/16/2003 6:20:55 PM PST by quidnunc
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To: quidnunc
Good find! But you left out the best part. ;)

Here is the rest of the article -- BTW, we don't need to excerpt articles from The Telegraph and the way to keep it for posterity is to post them in their entirety. Too many times you go back a few months later, and the article has been taken off the server of the news site.

Anyway, here is the excellent second half of the article:



What To Say If:

Saddam refuses to co-operate with his interrogators.
The arrest of this man is a sideshow. He clearly knows nothing about the current state of resistance and has played no role in the planning of insurgency. His trial will simply be an exercise in vengeance with no constructive outcome for Iraq.

Saddam sings like a canary, identifying the perpetrators of insurgency.
Saddam is obviously being tortured by his American captors. Or else, they are lying about his testimony and justifying their own persecution of innocent Iraqis on the basis of his alleged "confession". (Note to broadcasters: these hypotheses need not be stated baldly. They can simply be hinted at or implied by leading questions and incredulous facial expressions.)

Saddam admits to having had weapons of mass destruction all along and gives a detailed account of a) where they can be found, b) how and when he destroyed them.
If a) then switch the focus immediately to the role that America (with particular reference to Donald Rumsfeld personally) played in the past in allowing Saddam to develop these arms. Avoid if possible any tactless references to the much more recent contributions of our European partners in building Saddam's armoury. If b), float the idea that Saddam is lying - simply telling his captors what it would suit their political purposes to hear, in the hopes of cutting a deal for himself.

If Saddam's trial is conducted by Iraq without outside interference.
This is nothing more than a kangaroo court: a lynch mob bent on tribal vendetta, licensed and abetted by America, which has, typically, waged an irresponsible war and then walked away, washing its hands of the consequences.

If Saddam's trial is conducted under American and British supervision.
This makes a mockery of the hope that Iraq is becoming a self-determining democracy. It is now nothing more than a neo-colonial satellite of American imperialism. The United States has, typically, set up a puppet government in Iraq in order to establish control over the region.

If Saddam's trial, by whatever agency, produces previously unknown evidence of crimes against his own people that is so horrific that it shames those who resisted his forcible removal.
No one (certainly not you) ever said they thought Saddam was a hero, or that they wanted him restored to power. They just wanted international law to be permitted to take its own good time to decide how and when he should be stopped.

If the arrest, trial and possible execution of Saddam results in a free and democratic Iraq.
This is irrelevant to the War on Terror. Iraq had no links with al-Qa'eda. Bush and Blair will never defeat terrorism until they catch Osama bin Laden.


2 posted on 12/16/2003 6:28:08 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: quidnunc
It really is shocking to see just how biased and anti-American the mainstream news really is. It is really hard to get your mind around the fact that these people who owe their existence and livelihood to this great Country can so consistently, and vehemently hate it and do their best to make us look bad every day they can.
3 posted on 12/16/2003 6:35:29 PM PST by vpintheak (Our Liberties we prize, and our rights we will maintain!)
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To: quidnunc
Imagine the "If they find Osama" memos that are floating around DNC:

1) Is it REALLY Osama?

2) They had him all along!

3) Terrorists don't really answer to Osama, it won't make a difference.

4) This will inflame the Arab street and result in more terrorism! (Note: need strategy session to ensure 3 and 4 aren't too contradictory)

5) Osama never really admitted he pulled off 9/11.

6) Obviously merely a "bogey man" to take our attention from Halliburton.

7) We must turn him over the UN immediately.

8) We never should have been in Afghanistan in the first place

9) But since we were, why'd it take so LONG?

10) They'll never get any information out of him

11) He never said that!

12) They tortured him.

5 posted on 12/16/2003 7:00:51 PM PST by wizardoz ("Let's roll!" ........................................................ "We got him!")
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To: quidnunc
Good post. I have been thinking about this a lot lately as I listen to Democrat radio when I go to sleep here in the Bay Area at night. If Art Bell is talking about ghosts, shadow people, rods, and orbs, I am forced to listen to Berny and some even bigger whacko when he leaves the air. These guys are so ridiculous, I actually enjoy listening to them. It is so comical how no matter what Bush does or what happens in the news, it is wrong, and of course it doesn't matter what they were saying two days ago.
6 posted on 12/16/2003 7:07:39 PM PST by sixmil
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To: quidnunc
Very well said.
8 posted on 12/16/2003 7:15:06 PM PST by OldFriend ( BLESS OUR PRESIDENT)
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To: quidnunc
Great post. The liberals are at their wits end trying to bash Bush and now be Saddam's lawyer.
10 posted on 12/16/2003 7:34:52 PM PST by elhombrelibre (Liberalism corrupts. Absolute Liberalism corrupts absolutely.)
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bump
11 posted on 12/16/2003 7:48:42 PM PST by Chi-townChief
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This is irrelevant to the War on Terror. Iraq had no links with al-Qa'eda. Bush and Blair will never defeat terrorism until they catch Osama bin Laden.

And when they do catch Osama, rinse and repeat the Saddam talking points.

Great article.

13 posted on 12/17/2003 6:30:48 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: quidnunc
Takes a good Brit to put 'em in their place now and again. LOL. I love how he calls them the "anti-american" party. I bet that has the democrat mams in a right twist at the moment. Shall we now hear the caterwalling of little Daschle presuming to defend his patriotism with words while he betrays himself in action a bit further. Listen to my words as it were. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.. or on the box..
14 posted on 12/17/2003 7:04:36 AM PST by Havoc (If you can't be frank all the time are you lying the rest of the time?)
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To: quidnunc
The best part, it's soooooo dead on:

What To Say If:

Saddam refuses to co-operate with his interrogators.
The arrest of this man is a sideshow. He clearly knows nothing about the current state of resistance and has played no role in the planning of insurgency. His trial will simply be an exercise in vengeance with no constructive outcome for Iraq.

Saddam sings like a canary, identifying the perpetrators of insurgency.
Saddam is obviously being tortured by his American captors. Or else, they are lying about his testimony and justifying their own persecution of innocent Iraqis on the basis of his alleged "confession". (Note to broadcasters: these hypotheses need not be stated baldly. They can simply be hinted at or implied by leading questions and incredulous facial expressions.)

Saddam admits to having had weapons of mass destruction all along and gives a detailed account of a) where they can be found, b) how and when he destroyed them.
If a) then switch the focus immediately to the role that America (with particular reference to Donald Rumsfeld personally) played in the past in allowing Saddam to develop these arms. Avoid if possible any tactless references to the much more recent contributions of our European partners in building Saddam's armoury. If b), float the idea that Saddam is lying - simply telling his captors what it would suit their political purposes to hear, in the hopes of cutting a deal for himself.

If Saddam's trial is conducted by Iraq without outside interference.
This is nothing more than a kangaroo court: a lynch mob bent on tribal vendetta, licensed and abetted by America, which has, typically, waged an irresponsible war and then walked away, washing its hands of the consequences.

If Saddam's trial is conducted under American and British supervision.
This makes a mockery of the hope that Iraq is becoming a self-determining democracy. It is now nothing more than a neo-colonial satellite of American imperialism. The United States has, typically, set up a puppet government in Iraq in order to establish control over the region.

If Saddam's trial, by whatever agency, produces previously unknown evidence of crimes against his own people that is so horrific that it shames those who resisted his forcible removal.
No one (certainly not you) ever said they thought Saddam was a hero, or that they wanted him restored to power. They just wanted international law to be permitted to take its own good time to decide how and when he should be stopped.

If the arrest, trial and possible execution of Saddam results in a free and democratic Iraq.
This is irrelevant to the War on Terror. Iraq had no links with al-Qa'eda. Bush and Blair will never defeat terrorism until they catch Osama bin Laden. Saddam sings like a canary, identifying the perpetrators of insurgency. Saddam is obviously being tortured by his American captors. Or else, they are lying about his testimony and justifying their own persecution of innocent Iraqis on the basis of his alleged "confession". (Note to broadcasters: these hypotheses need not be stated baldly. They can simply be hinted at or implied by leading questions and incredulous facial expressions.) Saddam admits to having had weapons of mass destruction all along and gives a detailed account of a) where they can be found, b) how and when he destroyed them. If a) then switch the focus immediately to the role that America (with particular reference to Donald Rumsfeld personally) played in the past in allowing Saddam to develop these arms. Avoid if possible any tactless references to the much more recent contributions of our European partners in building Saddam's armoury. If b), float the idea that Saddam is lying - simply telling his captors what it would suit their political purposes to hear, in the hopes of cutting a deal for himself. If Saddam's trial is conducted by Iraq without outside interference. This is nothing more than a kangaroo court: a lynch mob bent on tribal vendetta, licensed and abetted by America, which has, typically, waged an irresponsible war and then walked away, washing its hands of the consequences. If Saddam's trial is conducted under American and British supervision. This makes a mockery of the hope that Iraq is becoming a self-determining democracy. It is now nothing more than a neo-colonial satellite of American imperialism. The United States has, typically, set up a puppet government in Iraq in order to establish control over the region. If Saddam's trial, by whatever agency, produces previously unknown evidence of crimes against his own people that is so horrific that it shames those who resisted his forcible removal. No one (certainly not you) ever said they thought Saddam was a hero, or that they wanted him restored to power. They just wanted international law to be permitted to take its own good time to decide how and when he should be stopped. If the arrest, trial and possible execution of Saddam results in a free and democratic Iraq. This is irrelevant to the War on Terror. Iraq had no links with al-Qa'eda. Bush and Blair will never defeat terrorism until they catch Osama bin Laden.

15 posted on 12/17/2003 10:10:25 AM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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