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1 posted on 12/15/2003 9:45:11 PM PST by kattracks
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To: kattracks; Paul C. Jesup; XBob
That trial baloon went down im flames.
2 posted on 12/15/2003 9:45:58 PM PST by cyborg
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To: kattracks
You think he heard the sucking sounds of votes?
5 posted on 12/15/2003 9:49:27 PM PST by cyborg
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It needs to be made on the deal that all the illegals go home first to sign up :OP. I mean that really. How is it fair to those Mexicans etc... who do wait to come here legally. I'm not against a worker program as long as Mexico foots the bill for their medical and education while they are here.
8 posted on 12/15/2003 9:53:09 PM PST by kuma
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This is the issue that could cost Bush a second term.

He better get these illegal people out of my country or I will begin voting for someone who will!!!

9 posted on 12/15/2003 9:54:04 PM PST by blam
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To: Sabertooth
Bush clearly has no intention of laying out anything coherent on immigration policy before the next election. It will be zig and zag, ending up with next to nothing. The more interesting question is what Bush might do in his second term. Will this issue interest him enough to take some risk to actually deal with the issue in an more coherent and thoughtful way, which while controversial, will at least represent a point of departure for debate? I suspect the answer is more likely than not, no. Nature will take its course. It may be, that in a decade, Europe and America will be competing for Latino immigrants. Stranger things have happened. As it is, a rather significant shift between the two continents in immigration patterns is emerging.
10 posted on 12/15/2003 9:55:18 PM PST by Torie
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{Another piece of legislation known as the DREAM Act would give legal and permanent status to tens of thousands of children of undocumented immigrants. The bill, whose name is an acronym for Development, Relief and Education for Alien Minors Act, was sponsored by Sen. Orrin G. Hatch, Utah Republican. It recently passed in the Senate Judiciary Committee and is awaiting a full vote by the Senate.}

I hope the DREAM Act gets voted down in the House. Orrin Hatch's brain cells must be breaking down.
16 posted on 12/15/2003 10:01:59 PM PST by Kuksool
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HAH! Thanks Freepers!
18 posted on 12/15/2003 10:04:08 PM PST by ETERNAL WARMING
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To: kattracks
¿Has a Serapé Amnesty been ruled out?
21 posted on 12/15/2003 10:08:50 PM PST by Consort
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Australia Watches As Death Looms In Nauru Asylum Camps
23 posted on 12/15/2003 10:12:57 PM PST by blam
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Not good e'nuf Dubya. Try again.

Hb
28 posted on 12/15/2003 10:17:39 PM PST by Hoverbug
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"The bottom line is, as a country we have to come to grips with the presence of 8 to 12 million illegals, afford them some kind of legal status some way, but also as a country decide what our immigration policy is and then enforce it."

The bottom line Mr. Ridge, is that we have already decided what our immigration policy is, NOW enforce it. Enforce it now, what the heck does "then" mean? Are you a law abiding citizen in charge of enforcing the laws of this nation, head of Homeland Security or not? What's your excuse for ignoring the laws on the books? What's Bush's excuse? What ever it is, it isn't good enough, that pig won't fly.

There is more to being a responsible American than matching up willing worker with willing employer, there are cultural, legal, moral, social, and economic issues at stake here. Or does that well touted "conservative compassion" not apply to you and your boss's fellow citizens? You guys familiar with that term? Sovereign citizen? It's not something to be toss'ed to the masses like soap cupons, or a lottery. Government is responsible for the caliber and quality of immigrants they allow in our home. How is ripping off the taxpayer, his Social Security, his hard earned money paid in taxes to pay for the welfare, medical, services of illegals, while they make their money under the table and rip off the American economy to the tune of $14,000,000,000.00 per year compassionate to those you are responsible to?

Now you want to send them $5,000,000.000.00 of our already shaky SS funds in one year to be followed by 34,000,000,000.00 in five years and all you have is their corrupt word and shady documentation that they are entitled to our money.

If you want to match willing worker with willing employer first clear the nation of these Palastentian wanna be's that partied in the streets, sold Ben Laden masks and t-shirts on 9-11, then document and verify those you want to issue temporary work permits to. This should not include their families who should remain in Mexico as an incentive for them to return to their homeland. End and revoke anchor baby status, and clean house, or you may find yourselves in shock in 2004 when the slogan becomes, "It's the illegals stupid".

35 posted on 12/15/2003 10:37:04 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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I can think of no greater disconnect that exists between the governed and the government than that of illegal immigration.

It is the ten ton elephant in the living room that citizens want out, and yet the politicians continue to walk around it so as to deny reality.
39 posted on 12/15/2003 10:50:52 PM PST by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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ping
43 posted on 12/15/2003 11:03:25 PM PST by gubamyster
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To: kattracks
I prefer we give a blanket party.
48 posted on 12/15/2003 11:57:00 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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To: kattracks
Maybe they'll just switch the more popular "sleeping bag" amnesty.
50 posted on 12/16/2003 12:03:05 AM PST by Fledermaus (Fascists, Totalitarians, Baathists, Communists, Socialists, Democrats - what's the difference?)
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Why don't we just annex Mexico and, along with Puerto Rico, make it the 51st and 52nd state?

I'm actually being serious. Mexico is such a mess, even California under Grayout Davis was ran better.

And it's got more oil than ANWR we can use. They already send us nearly as much oil as Saudi Arabia and we could get twice that or more, and natural gas, and save on the shipping costs since the Mexican government runs the industry so badly it's totally corrupt and inefficient.
51 posted on 12/16/2003 12:06:43 AM PST by Fledermaus (Fascists, Totalitarians, Baathists, Communists, Socialists, Democrats - what's the difference?)
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But the president reiterated a stance he has enunciated often: "This administration is firmly against blanket amnesty." spell out his preferred policy. A handful of options are floating around Capitol Hill, including one co-sponsored by several Republicans who propose giving legal residency to illegal immigrants through work.

No, it certainly won't be called a blanket amnesty by the administration, but that will be its effect.

55 posted on 12/16/2003 12:54:26 AM PST by Spiff (Have you committed one random act of thoughtcrime today?)
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Here's the un-noticed zinger:

12 million immigrants illegally in the United States

12,000,000? I thought it was 1.2 million...

57 posted on 12/16/2003 1:28:56 AM PST by backhoe (--30--)
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To: kattracks
THANK GOD!
63 posted on 12/16/2003 3:57:48 AM PST by rintense
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To: kattracks
Terrific President...Outstanding Administration.
64 posted on 12/16/2003 3:59:31 AM PST by PGalt
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