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Here we go again
World Net Daily ^ | Dec 10, 2003 | pat buchanan

Posted on 12/14/2003 1:05:45 PM PST by CWOJackson

A close read of President Bush's November addresses at the National Endowment for Democracy in Washington and at the Whitehall Palace in London leads a traditionalist almost to despair.

George Bush did not write this democratist drivel. This is the kind of messianic rhetoric he probably never heard before he became president. Who is putting these words in his mouth? For if George Bush truly intends to lead a "global democratic revolution," and convert not only Iraq but the whole Middle East to democracy, he has ceased to be a conservative and we are headed for endless conflicts, disappointments, disillusionment and tragedy.

At London, he called a "commitment to the global expansion of democracy" both "the alternative to instability and to hatred and terror" and "the third pillar of our security." But before he wagers our security on a crusade for democracy, Bush should ask the hard questions no one seems to have asked before he invaded Iraq.

Where in the Constitution is he empowered to go around the world destabilizing governments? Can he truly believe that by hectoring such autocracies as Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, America is more secure? Who comes to power if Mubarak goes in Cairo, the Saudi monarchy falls or Musharaff is ousted in Pakistan? If memory serves, the last wave of popular revolutions in the region gave us Nasser, Khadafi, Saddam and the Ayatollah.

With $200 billion sunk into democratizing Iraq and Afghanistan, how many more wars does Bush think Americans will support before they decide to throw the interventionist Republicans out?

Where did he get the idea we are insecure because the Islamic world is not democratic? The Islamic world has never been democratic. Yet, before we intervened massively there, our last threat came from Barbary pirates. Lest we forget, Muhammad Atta and his comrades did not plot their atrocities in the Sunni Triangle, but in Hamburg and Delray Beach.

Surveys show that Islamic people bear a deep resentment of U.S. dominance of their region and our one-sided support for Israel. Interventionism is not America's solution, it is America's problem.

It was our earlier intervention in the Gulf War and our huge footprint on the sacred soil of Saudi Arabia that lead directly to 9-11. They were over here because we were over there.

If one-man, one-vote comes to Pakistan, what do we do if that nuclear nation supports a return of the Taliban? What do we do if the Iraqi regime that takes power after free elections tells us to pack up and get out, and declares the liberation of Kuwait and its return to the embrace of the motherland to be as vital to Baghdad as the return of Taiwan is to Beijing?

Freedom, the president said, "must be chosen and defended by those who choose it." Exactly. Why not then let these Islamic peoples choose it on their own timetable and defend it themselves?

It is "cultural condescension," says Bush, "to assume the Middle East cannot be converted to democracy. ... Perhaps the most helpful change we can make is to change in our own thinking."

But if 22 of 22 Arab states are non-democratic, this would seem to suggest that this soil is not particularly conducive to growing the kind of democracies we raise in upper New England. This may be mulish thinking to the progressives at NED, but it may also be common sense.

What support is there in history for the view that as we meddle in the affairs of foreign nations, we advance our security? How would we have responded in the 19th century if Britain had declared a policy of destabilizing the American Union until Andrew Jackson abolished slavery?

"Liberty is both the plan of Heaven for humanity and the best hope for progress here on earth." Is it? Before democracy became our god, we used to believe that salvation was Heaven's plan for humanity, and Jesus Christ was the way, the truth and the life.

The neocons have made democracy a god, but why is George W. Bush falling down and worshiping their golden calf?

The last time we heard rhetoric like Bush's at NED and Whitehall Castle was the last time we were bogged down in a war. LBJ declared that America's goal was far loftier than saving South Vietnam. We were going to build a "Great Society on the Mekong."

Like Woodrow Wilson, Bush has been converted to the belief that democracy is the cure for mankind's ills. But our Founding Fathers did not even believe in democracy. They thought they were creating a republic – a republic that would be secure by remaining free of the wars of the blood-soaked continent their fathers had left behind. How wrong they were.


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And just ten days ago pat proclaimed that defeat was an option in Iraq.
1 posted on 12/14/2003 1:05:46 PM PST by CWOJackson
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To: CWOJackson
Pat's a sourpuss. I bet the crew at Lew Rockwell's crying in their beer today as well.

Where are the civil war threads today?!?!?!?!?

2 posted on 12/14/2003 1:10:26 PM PST by Sam's Army (Blues Brothers...Chelsea, Rangers, Linfield.)
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To: CWOJackson
Well, I think Pat is way off base. If we have more free democracies there will be fewer places for terriorists to hide. Get back in your spider hole Pat!


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3 posted on 12/14/2003 1:17:19 PM PST by W04Man (Bush2004 Grassroots Campaign visit W-04.com for FREE STICKERS)
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To: CWOJackson
For if George Bush truly intends to lead a "global democratic revolution," and convert not only Iraq but the whole Middle East to democracy, he has ceased to be a conservative and we are headed for endless conflicts, disappointments, disillusionment and tragedy.

This guy is right. Instead of spreading capitalism, GW Bush should instead be spreading the cause of dictatorships that run socialist societies. Dependence on government is a wonderful thing, especially when they get sick of you and get rid of you and your family by shooting all of you in the back of the head, one at a time, and letting you rot in a mass grave on the edge of town with a few thousand other people that the fatherland got sick of feeding. This is the status quo that the muslim countries are defending. Very nice!

4 posted on 12/14/2003 1:18:20 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Bad spellers of the world untie!!)
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To: W04Man
Get back in your spider hole Pat!

Congratulations. You are the first I've read to use that term that's sure to sweep the country.

5 posted on 12/14/2003 1:19:36 PM PST by NutCrackerBoy
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To: CWOJackson
Surveys show that Islamic people bear a deep resentment of U.S. dominance of their region and our one-sided support for Israel. Interventionism is not America's solution, it is America's problem.

Anyone have a good crybaby pic for PBJ and his Arab friends?

6 posted on 12/14/2003 1:21:37 PM PST by NeoCaveman (Ladies and gentleman, we've got him.)
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To: CWOJackson
Where in the Constitution is he empowered to go around the world destabilizing governments?

It is called a pre-emptive strike against our enemies to deny them bases of operation since we are in WW-IV
7 posted on 12/14/2003 1:36:56 PM PST by uncbob
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To: uncbob
The problem with Pat and alike is they don't really believe we are engaged in a WAR ON TERRORISM. It's not just a war on Iraq, Afghanistan and whoever is next. It's an overall war strategy, and Iraq and Afghanistan are merely battles in the war.

They are absolutely deaf to that fact.

8 posted on 12/14/2003 1:45:23 PM PST by Gumption
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To: Sam's Army
Pat has forgotten most of the gospel of the church that tells a man of faith to fight evil. Being a conservative does not mean that you allow people to suffer, that is being a Hindu.
9 posted on 12/14/2003 1:45:31 PM PST by q_an_a
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To: uncbob; CWOJackson
What support is there in history for the view that as we meddle in the affairs of foreign nations, we advance our security? How would we have responded in the 19th century if Britain had declared a policy of destabilizing the American Union until Andrew Jackson abolished slavery?

Where in the Constitution is he empowered to go around the world destabilizing governments?

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It is called a pre-emptive strike against our enemies to deny them bases of operation since we are in WW-IV
-unc-





If we're in WWIII, it should be declared.

Unusually for Pat, he asks some good questions above..
I predict they will not be answered.
10 posted on 12/14/2003 1:49:37 PM PST by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but FRs flying monkey squad brings out the Rickenbacker in me.)
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Agreed. This might be one battle in a global war, but this war is being waged without regard for the future. I hope that this war against terror remains our largest concern, rather than the impending threat that China will undoubtedly pose.
11 posted on 12/14/2003 2:01:31 PM PST by fiscally_right
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To: CWOJackson
Pat and the rest of the Luddites can't get over the idea that the Buggy Whip is no longer needed...

Maybe one day they will progress into the age of almost instant communications, world travel anywhere on planet Earth within a few hours, global production/consumption, etc.

Buy Gold..... Horde Spam........ It's all for oil.....
12 posted on 12/14/2003 2:15:16 PM PST by deport
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To: deport
It's all for oil.

That part's probably true to some extent. As far as the Spam hoarding goes...well, I'm in MN and Spam hoarding is good for us so buy up all you can!

J

13 posted on 12/14/2003 2:26:48 PM PST by J. L. Chamberlain
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To: J. L. Chamberlain
Yep thanks to moving out of the horse and buggy days you can export that Spam worldwide for hoarding... lol. I've eaten my share and loved it, but pass on it today.
14 posted on 12/14/2003 2:30:48 PM PST by deport
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To: deport
It's always a good stocking stuffer but my kid seems to gaze at it as if it were a lump of coal. Weird kid...who can figure them these days?

J
15 posted on 12/14/2003 2:38:16 PM PST by J. L. Chamberlain
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To: J. L. Chamberlain
Spam? That's that stuff they're always eating on Fear Factor right? The stuff that makes them gag?
16 posted on 12/14/2003 2:43:08 PM PST by fiscally_right
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To: tpaine
You don't think we are in WW IV ?

Didn't congrees authorize the war in Iraq and on terrorists
17 posted on 12/14/2003 2:56:23 PM PST by uncbob
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To: uncbob
Congress would authorize a war on ham sandwichs if there was a political pay off in doing so.
18 posted on 12/14/2003 3:07:32 PM PST by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but FRs flying monkey squad brings out the Rickenbacker in me.)
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To: CWOJackson
I wonder who is more saddened by Saddam's capture...

Arafat, Dashle/Dean/Dems or Pat Buchanan?
19 posted on 12/14/2003 3:08:46 PM PST by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: W04Man
I'm going out on a limb here - I'm going to put Pat in the Norquist column from here on out.
20 posted on 12/14/2003 3:09:19 PM PST by mabelkitty
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