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To: Squantos; harpseal; river rat; archy
I think his hides were quite well done and sophisticated on many levels to escape high tech detection.

/1/ The 4' X 4' X 6"thick block of styrofoam is inset flush with the ground into a lip around the entry. This foam block is strong enough to carry a layer of dirt to resemble the ground around. It's insulated to provide no IR signature. It's light to lift out or push out easily.

/2/ The ventilation exhausted remotely, probably into a hut to disperse the heat or chem signature.

/3/ The entire hole could be dug by about two men in less than a day. This means only your most trusted confederates need to know where you are, unlike Uday and Qusay in the mansion.

/4/ One taxi cab for road travel, and skiffs on the river for dual methods of supply, movement or rapid escape.

I'm betting he had at least ten holes just like this one, down the the fans and foam blocks.

As far as comms, no doubt he avoided electronics for good reason! The plus side of this is if he had to keep track of messages, we may have scooped a valuable bundle of paper intell with the names, numbers to call etc.

191 posted on 12/15/2003 10:44:19 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee
As far as comms, no doubt he avoided electronics for good reason! The plus side of this is if he had to keep track of messages, we may have scooped a valuable bundle of paper intell with the names, numbers to call etc.

Reports are already coming in about apprehensions of high level baathists still at large due to the papers with Saddam.

196 posted on 12/15/2003 11:06:41 AM PST by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: Travis McGee
I guess it's different strokes for different folks....

In a spider hole, such as we've had explained to us..
He could NOT know if anyone was near.
He could NOT know if it was okay to come out.
He could NOT defend himself is someone noticed the Styrofoam - and fired through it before lifting to inspect.
He could NOT attack and kill a couple of transgressors - because he wouldn't know he had the advantage.

He would be totally dependent upon others to tell him when to go in and when to come out...

This all begins to sound like he was really a PRISONER of his "Keepers"..

I suspect the bastard was losing his mind - and couldn't be trusted any longer...
They were bleeding him dry, and keeping the "faith" alive Armonk's the lunatics by keeping him barely alive and have him seen from time to time, or making a tape from time to time..

A blind hole is NOT a warrior's or leader's position...
As "technologically advanced" as it may have been, it was a rat or a prisoner's cell...

Just one old man's opinion...

Semper Fi
200 posted on 12/15/2003 12:38:23 PM PST by river rat
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