Denying Islam's History [Democracy for the Middle East]

broadscapeventures.com ^ | December 10, 2002 07:08 AM | Andrew Bostom, M.D.,

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[RLK]

He does not mention that the twin institutionalized scourges of Islam at the crux of the violent, nearly 1,400-year relationship between Muslims and non-Muslims — i.e., jihad and dhimmitude — were already well-elaborated by the 8th century, 1,000 years before Wahhabism arose in the 18th century.

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George Islam is the religion of peace Bush should have brought this up within two days after 9/11.

[polemikos]

A PROPOSAL

For Islam to be considered "moderate" and a "religion of peace" Muslims need to:

1 - Renounce violence as a means to spread their faith
    a - Now and forever
    b - In all circumstances
    c - Apologize for the use of violence in the past

2 - Renounce violence as a means to keep followers from converting
    a - Now and forever
    b - In all circumstances
    c - Apologize for the use of violence in the past

3 - Renounce violence against other faiths that practice wihin predominately Muslim societies
    a - Now and forever
    b - In all circumstances
    c - Apologize for the use of violence in the past

4 - Renounce the use of non-religious discriminatory practices
    a - Now and forever
    b - In all circumstances
    c - Apologize for their use in the past

5 - Condemn by name Islamic terrorist groups

6 - Accept the ability of other religions to pratice their faith

7 - Proclaim that Muslim women have equal rights with men

8 - Renounce the goal of an Islamic Theocracy

pardon me if I don't hold my breath

[polemikos]

George Islam is the religion of peace Bush should have brought this up within two days after 9/11.

I disagree. Shall we fight all Islamic nations at once with a Clintonized military?
Or do we fight them one at a time, at the time and place of our choosing, with some Muslims offering aid? The end goal is the same, but the latter path offers more potential for success.

[RLK]

I disagree. Shall we fight all Islamic nations at once with a Clintonized military?

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We ARE fighting all Islamic nations at once. There are adversaries in Afghanistan and Iraq from all over the planet. Wake up!

[polemikos]

Oh please. When did expatriate muslim mercenaries become "Islamic nations".

[lainde]

Agreed.

[Mortimer Snavely]

The point is that there is no Islamist concept of the nation state as we understand it, there is an ideology hellbent on establishing a global caliphate run by the Sharia. Look at my personal page for a better understanding.

Every Islamist jihadist nut case has rejected the entire concept of the modern nation state, and is busy trying to establish Islamist rule in their own countries. The more nations that succumb to this, the closer they get to their ultimate goal.

This is another ideology whereby the state is supposed to ultimately wither away and die.

[polemikos]

The point is that there is no Islamist concept of the nation state ...

Well understood but beside the "point".

RLK apparently wants to take on all of Islam simultaneously.
There are multiple reasons to approach each situation separately.

[RLK]

There are multiple reasons to approach each situation separately.

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The main reason is to defend the incompetence of George Bush in an attempt to create an all-knowing perfect high school hero for the desperate to believe in.

Islam is a movement based upon the words of a psychotic known as Mohammed. It does not recognize national boundaries and more than does and epidemic of influenza or plague. None of the people in the 9/11 attack were Iraqis. On the other hand mohammedism kills thounds of people per year in many countries throughout the world.

Mohammedism throughout the world is at war with us. Subject to opportunity groups and individuals throughout the world would hit us with a 9/11 once a week, if they had the capability.

Islam is presently at total war with us. It's a matter of being realistic and whether we have determination to survive as to whether we admit and act upon it.

[polemikos]

The main reason is to defend the incompetence of George Bush

LOL! Keep on believing that, please.

Islam is a movement based upon the words of a psychotic known as Mohammed. It does not recognize national boundaries..

Yet, how do you explain all those separate nations, eh? They talk of "one nation" but not a one of them is willing to give up their perks. They're much too tribal to act as "one".

The facts on the ground trump the fantasy of Mohammedian thinking.

Mohammedism throughout the world is at war with us.

Regardless, it is still more effective to take on our enemies one at a time. Really, we have no other choice.

[RLK]

Yet, how do you explain all those separate nations, eh?

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It must be a myster to you how all those people from those separate nations training in those separate nations accidenttally got togethr to fly airplanes into the World Trade Center.

As you would say, LOL.

[RLK]

Thank yoy. I found your answer to be fascinating.

[RLK]

Thank you. I found your answer to be fascinating.

LOL

[squidly]

Mohammedism throughout the world is at war with us.

Nothing going on in the world supports that statement. The vast majority are all turban and no jihad. There are some hotheads with whom we are dealing. The rest will get in line....... eventually.

[RLK]

Nothing going on in the world supports that statement.

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Perhaps we aren't living on the same planet, or could it be you are unfamiliar with recent events?

[squidly]

The things you're saying suggest that the entire Islamic world is at war against us, and that simply isn't true. They may not like us, and they may be pulling for the other guy, but they're not all at war with us. As I stated, the vast majority of them are all turban and no jihad.

[RLK]

You are repeating yourself as if you think re-presenting the same bullcrap will make it true. Do you watch the news presentations of continuing anti-American demonstrations or anything.