Grinchlist.com

Grinchlist ^ | 12/12/2003 | myself

[HarleyD]

The GrinchList.com is a response to the growing censorship and revisionist policies and practices concerning Christmas that is evident in retail stores, public schools, government offices, businesses, and the media. Our mission is to compile an ongoing list of businesses and organizations that engage in egregious cultural revisionism and expose them to the millions of consumers whose heritage is being expunged from the public cultural arena.

[HarleyD]

Here's an interesting site I've found. Thought those who would like to keep Christ in Christmas might enjoy checking it out.

[alisasny]

Yesterday a FOX segment kept saying that 94 percent of Americans celebrate Christmas.

Is this true?

[netmilsmom]

Well, this will get me shopping at Walmart.

Merry Christmas!

[Puppage]

organizations that engage in egregious cultural revisionism

This is the way the secularist/leftists do things...they take away the word Christams, or God. Little by little, by little. Get you used to the idea of living without these words.

That way, when they go to remove even MORE words you'll be so used to it, ya won't even put up a fuss.

[doc30]

Here's one for thought. I went to order stamps a few weeks ago from the post office. They have Kwanzaa stamps, Hanukkah stamps, and holiday stamps. No Christmas stamps! Blatantly anti-Christian and anti-Christmas!

[LurkedLongEnough]

I know some families with one parent Jewish, one Christian and they celebrate both holidays with their kids. I don't know what benefit this provides except double the gifts & food. Seems like the kids would get confused.

[AppyPappy]

I knew Jewish families who celebrated Christmas. It was easier to join in than fight it.

[Blood of Tyrants]

The word Xmas wasn't just shorthand. It was a deliberate attemt to take Christ out of Christmas. That is why other than to point it out, I never use it.

[Blood of Tyrants]

Probably pretty close. The rest are either Muslim, Jew, or God haters. Even most agnostics and many atheists celebrate some form of Christmas.

[ErnBatavia]

Well, this will get me shopping at Walmart.

I should check out our local (usually very crowded) Wally's today; this is supposed to be "Latino Boycott Everything Day" because Ahnuld won't let illegals get drivers licenses.

I could have the place virtually to myself...

[Puppage]

It was a deliberate attemt to take Christ out of Christmas.

My wife feels the same way...you're BOTH right in your assumptions.I have now stopped using it as well.

[newcats]

The word Xmas wasn't just shorthand. It was a deliberate attemt to take Christ out of Christmas. That is why other than to point it out, I never use it.

That is a very old and very WRONG rumor....

The X in Xmas did not originate as our English alphabet's X but as the symbol X in the Greek alphabet, called Chi, with a hard ch. The Greek Chi or X is the first letter in the Greek word Christos. ...
Gration claims that as early as the first century the X was used as Christ's initial. Certainly through church history we can trace this usage. In many manuscripts of the New Testament, X abbreviates Christos (Xristos). In ancient Christian art X and XR (Chi Ro--the first two letters in Greek of Christos abbreviate his name. We find that this practice entered the Old English language as early as AD 100. Moreover, Wycliff and other devout believers used X as an abbreviation for Christ. Were they trying to take Christ away and substitute an unknown quantity? The idea is preposterous.
Some may use Xmas today as an unchristian shortcut for Christmas, but the ancient abbreviation by no means originated as such. The scribes who copied New Testament manuscripts had no intention of taking Christ out of the New Testament. They used the abbreviation simply to save time and space. ... http://www.christmaspast.info/forums/Main01/messages/647932485.html

[silverdog]

I don't know what you mean by "holiday" stamps, but maybe you can go back to the Post Office. Our local office has two varieties of what I would call Christmas stamps: a madonna-and-child stamp and a medley of elf-reindeer-santa stamps.

[netmilsmom]

We always had a big buffet dinner for Christmas. One year my sister invited her Jewish coworker and her family to the party. When her 11 year old daughter walked in, she exclaimed, "It's just like the Soap Operas!!!!"

[WhyisaTexasgirlinPA]

ROFL....... great line.......

[Blood of Tyrants]

Some may use Xmas today as an unchristian shortcut for Christmas, but the ancient abbreviation by no means originated as such.

First, how many people know Greek and are aware of it?

Second, the Confederate battle flag started out as just a symbol for the Confederacy but the KKK has perverted it to symbolize racism and hatred. My point is that things and reasons change.

Third, if it too much of a bother to write Christ instead of X, then you need to adjust your priorities.

[newcats]

You missed the entire point.
First, how many people know Greek and are aware of it?

Doesn't matter how many people know Greek...We were talking of the origins of the use of Xmas.

Third, if it too much of a bother to write Christ instead of X, then you need to adjust your priorities

Do you understand the meaning of the word "some"?
You pull one of the least significant lines from that post and therefore shoot down the whole thing.
Nothing that anyone says or shows you will change your "opinion".

[upchuck]

Cite all the historical, arcane gobbledygook you want. Using Xmas is an insult to Christ. If I can find the person responsible for the display for "Xmas," I always ask, "What lead to your conscious decision to remove Christ from Christmas." Most of 'em get pissed off. Too bad.

Let's keep Christ in Christmas.

[Blood of Tyrants]

And you miss my point. Every day we read something where another store or corporation or city has succumbed to political correctness (i.e. anti-Christian sentiment) and has removed any reference to Christ from the season.

My line has been drawn. If it offends someone that I write "Christmas" or wish them a merry Christmas, so be it. I will not cave to anti-Christian hatred thinly disguised as political correctness and I will not put my light under a basket.

[Billthedrill]

You are correct. The usage "Xmas" is, in fact, an ancient Christian tradition. I understand the reservations some people may have, but a historical fact is a historical fact.

But there is a good deal in Christmas - indeed, in Christianity itself - to be celebrated by non-Christians. In Japan, for example, it's a very popular holiday despite the fact that the Japanese are predominantly Buddhist and Shintoist - what appeals to them is the decorations, the gathering of the family, and the exchange of presents (yes, this is derided as commercial, which it is, in part, and in part it is something more). I don't personally have a problem with people celebrating these things for whatever reason.