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Vanity: An Open Message to the Republican Party Cheerleaders on this Forum...
12-10-03 | Vanity

Posted on 12/10/2003 7:39:21 PM PST by ambrose

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To: ambrose
First, let me put my cards on the table. Bush's signature on this steaming turd was a mistake. I know why he did it, however. Had he vetoed it, McCain would have screamed bloody murder, declared himself an independent, and would have caucused with Daschle. You folks are forgetting that Daschle had turned Jeffords. It would have been easy for him to flip McCain.

That said, those of you who wish to stand by principle come what may forget everything Ronald Reagan tried to teach you. Reagan understood when to compromise. Barry Goldwater didn't . Reagan never lost an election. Barry Goldwater got creamed in the only election that counted.

Principle can only be advanced through a two-steps forward, one step back approach. It is a long hard slog, sort of like a Supreme Court nomination fight. My way or the highway won't win the cultural battle on gun rights, abortion, or any of the other social issues. You don't like this? Get your reps to start reforming the law. It's how things are done.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

21 posted on 12/10/2003 7:51:38 PM PST by section9 (Major Kusanagi says, "Click on my pic and read my blog, or eat lead!")
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To: ambrose
Tell you what. I plan to vote for whichever Republican runs against Barbara Boxer. I plan to vote for my Republican Congressman George Radanovich. And despite some of his decisions that I hate, I plan to vote for George W. Bush as president. The alternative is unthinkable. And there's no way in hell I'll ever give up and surrender to the left without a fight.
22 posted on 12/10/2003 7:52:52 PM PST by Jim Robinson (All your ZOT are belong to us.)
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To: Columbine
I didn't like it when Bush signed this idiotic unconstitutional bill. There are other things I don't like either.

On the other hand there are many things about Bush that I do like. The reality is that I will vote for Bush. The alternatives are unthinkable to me.

My sentiments exactly. The fact that Bush isn't perfect is a bummer. The fact the he is President instead of Gore is a great good fortune. Any of the Dem'o'craps getting elected would be a tragedy.

23 posted on 12/10/2003 7:53:09 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: ambrose
oops, ignore my post. I was on another thread and had too many windows open.
24 posted on 12/10/2003 7:53:26 PM PST by Calpernia (Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does.)
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To: section9
Well said. ditto.
25 posted on 12/10/2003 7:54:09 PM PST by hobson
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To: ambrose
Before the final draft was even submitted, the "powers that be" of BOTH sides had already determined that ALL the restrictions could be overcome.

McCain-Feingold was as meaningless today as the day it was signed. There are pleanty of work arounds.

It does however point out that occonor is no longer to be trusted.
26 posted on 12/10/2003 7:54:27 PM PST by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: Jim Robinson
I'm happy to be in such good company.
27 posted on 12/10/2003 7:54:46 PM PST by Columbine
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To: sinkspur
AMEN
28 posted on 12/10/2003 7:55:39 PM PST by cyborg (far right extremist american...........)
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To: dubyaismypresident
Oh, excuses, excuses.

I bet you thought election Arnold Schwarzenegger governor was a great idea too.
29 posted on 12/10/2003 7:55:40 PM PST by TheAngryClam (Don't blame me, I voted for McClintock.)
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To: ambrose
"So please, put down your GOP pom poms. I submit that ideas are more important than party loyalty."

What's all this gnashing of teeth.

Really, CFR is insignifigant in the scheme of things, especially when compared to things such as national security, taxes, religious freedom, and business regulations.

I am willing to bet that this new law doesn't make a whit of difference in this election.

Why? Cause people just find a way around it, just as they have done in regards to ALL OTHER election finance laws which have been passed previously.

The most that happens when a CFR law is broken is that some organization gets a fine, AFTER the election is over.

Check it out. When's the last time you've heard of any signifigant punishment for breaking a old CFR law?

30 posted on 12/10/2003 7:55:40 PM PST by Edit35
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To: ambrose
I will support whom I please thank you. If I happen to like President Bush - I will feel free to say so no matter how any purists think about it.

I may not like everything he does - but, he does not control everything in government - we have the democrat party trying to destroy this country.

When it comes time to chose who I wish to lead this country the next four years - I can wholeheartedly say - I want George Bush - perfect or not.
31 posted on 12/10/2003 7:55:42 PM PST by ClancyJ (It's just not safe to vote Democratic.)
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To: little jeremiah
Did you just love Rush's show today? All those hen peckers calling in about Rush saying testicles...lol
32 posted on 12/10/2003 7:56:36 PM PST by cyborg (far right extremist american...........)
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To: Jim Robinson
Well, what do you propose?

I would propose contacting one's CongressCritters and Senate reps and demanding that steps be taken to have CFR repealled as quickly as possible. Its not too often I find myself at variance with Dubya however in this case, I'm on the other side and have to disagree with his position. Any infringement on the enumerated rights spelled out in Constitution can not be a good thing.
33 posted on 12/10/2003 7:58:00 PM PST by pyx (Is this really all there is ?)
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To: Jim Robinson
Don't we risk suffering the same fate as black voters? The Rats can safely ignore black voters because they know on election day, they'll go 90% for the Rat candidate, no matter what. If we support Republican candidates, no matter what, they will similarly take us for granted.

Voting against a shrill Marxist like Babs Boxer is too easy. What about a race of Gerald Parsky vs Dianne Feinstein?

John McCain is up for re-election this year. Many would argue that it is important that he be re-elected so that the Senate stays in GOP hands. But I think he causes more trouble as a Republican senator than any freshman Rat senator could create.
34 posted on 12/10/2003 7:59:24 PM PST by ambrose
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To: longtermmemmory
"Before the final draft was even submitted, the "powers that be" of BOTH sides had already determined that ALL the restrictions could be overcome. McCain-Feingold was as meaningless today as the day it was signed. There are pleanty of work arounds.

You are 1000-percent correct.

I am astounded at all the teeth gnashing going on regarding this issue.

People constantly violate previous campaign laws, and the most that happens is a fine, and even that is rare.

35 posted on 12/10/2003 7:59:41 PM PST by Edit35
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To: ambrose
Everyone disgusted with this should take a pledge: If contacted by a polster, tell them you're voting for the democrat. Scare some sense back into those jack ass republicans.
36 posted on 12/10/2003 7:59:47 PM PST by DManA
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To: ambrose
FREEDOM is more important than party loyalty. So far the Republicans have done more than Clinton to undermine our freedom and sovereignty. Enough is enough. Vote them out!
37 posted on 12/10/2003 8:00:31 PM PST by ETERNAL WARMING
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To: ambrose
It hurt more RAT groups than it did GOP groups. Who cares, not me.
38 posted on 12/10/2003 8:01:41 PM PST by John Lenin
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To: cyborg
He was in fine form. Some of those gals kind of make me think that (some) women shoudn't have gotten the vote - present company excepted, of course!
I think since coming back from rehab he's sharper than ever - like several years ago. And *funny*! But he was po'ed today, he's not pleased with the SCOTUS (aka the evil buffoons, although around 3 of them are human).
39 posted on 12/10/2003 8:02:09 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: Jim Robinson
I'm voting Keyes. I'll write him in. I will never again support the two party hydra. There isn't a bit of difference between the two except rhetoric. Enough is enough.
40 posted on 12/10/2003 8:02:11 PM PST by ETERNAL WARMING
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