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To: sunryse
Rape is illegal because it infringes on someone else's rights. Incest is illegal because of the genetic ramifications of it. Beastialility is illegal because there is not way to gain consent from an animal, same for having sex with a minor. These remain illegal not for biblical reasons, but because they are fundamentally wrong.

You give a list of practical ramifications of laws regarding sexual behavior, then you label them as "fundamentally wrong." Historically in law all the things you mentioned have been considered wrong, not for practical reasons (as you list) but since they are "fundamentally wrong...." and as soon as morality...i.e. "wrong" is mentioned religious issues (even if tangental) come up.

Rape for example, is accepted in some societies today (and has been in many in the past)...with a kind of "boys will be boys" mentality. Incest was the way Egyptian Pharoahs were raised...(and a minority of those born to incest have genetic problems...though it is a SIGNIFICANT minority)...so in some cultures incest has been accepted. Beastiality has been accepted, in various times and cultures--as most all societies don't give a rip about animal "consent"(does your dog consent to that fence or leash?) and again it was seen as an outlet for the oversexed.... (gross, definitely.) The point is, in the history of our law, moral, not practical, bases were the reasons why those three deviant behaviors were (and are) outlawed. Homosexual behavior too, has been proscribed due to moral (and yes, religious) reasons.

Our very concept of human rights is based on those "endowed by the Creator" to quote Jefferson in the Declaration. Do you really think America has been a theocracy until the ACLU flexed its muscles???

Back to the specific issue however at the same time, without resorting to the religous, many practical reasons can be found to restrict homosexual behavior. These include, obviously, the spread of disease (since homosexual men by any measure are persistantly VERY promiscuous) (AIDS didn't spread through heterosexual monogamy now, did it?) Homosexual relationships tend to be more violence prone.... Homosexuals have a MUCH higher than average tendancy to molest children. (something like 1/3 to 1/2 of reported child molestations are homosexual....by a group which is less than 3%....you do the math). Finally, homosexuals do nothing to promote healthy interaction between the sexes--including the production of children. These are all practical (and yes arguable...as is your list, to some) reasons why homosexual behavior is not a good thing...but wait, there's that pesky word "good" which relates to values, which, ultimately must relate to religion...and has done so historically in our society and law, as in all others.

The acceptance of homosexual behavior or not, is not about the religous, vs. the practical or non-religous--its about one religious/value system vs. another... Secularism is as much a religion as the most backwoods bible thumper. Since it pretends not to be, to my way of thinking--it has even less tolerance.

41 posted on 12/10/2003 11:10:34 PM PST by AnalogReigns
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To: AnalogReigns
>Rape for example, is accepted in some societies today
>and has been in many in the past)...with a kind of "boys >will be boys" mentality. Incest was the way Egyptian >Pharoahs were raised...(and a minority of those born to >incest have genetic problems...though it is a SIGNIFICANT >minority)...so in some cultures incest has been accepted.

We are talking about TODAY. Not ancient times. Today, IN AMERICA. Not other cultures or societies. Insanity is often what society you choose to live in. But in America today, the only reason to hold homosexuality as illegal is a biblical reason. Please offer me an argument as to otherwise. (The ones listed below are weak)

>Do you really think America has been a theocracy until >the ACLU flexed its muscles???

A theocracy? No. Laws made on a biblical basis, yes. I am not saying that certain laws aren't "fundemental". Stealing is "biblical", but it is also about infringing on someone else's rights. But who someone chooses to sleep with is basically thier business. And harms noone, but possibly the people involved. And even that is thier choice to make.

>These include, obviously, the spread of disease (since >homosexual men by any measure are persistantly VERY >promiscuous)

That is a misconception. Homosexual men are no more promiscous then some of the hip hop culture, or even white trash trailer parks. There are filthy elements to EVERY culture and lifestyle.

>(AIDS didn't spread through heterosexual monogamy now, >did it?)

AIDS didn't spread through homosexual monogamy either. Two virgin men coming together doesn't CREATE AIDS.

>Homosexual relationships tend to be more violence >prone....

That I disagree with. There are battered women shelters all over town, what does that say?

>Homosexuals have a MUCH higher than average tendancy to >molest children. (something like 1/3 to 1/2 of reported >child molestations are homosexual....by a group which is >less than 3%....you do the math).

Excuse me, but you are whole group of people based on MISCONTRUED facts. The fact is that sexual abuse in the home is much more discreet. There are family issues involved, another parent to think of. Whereas homosexual contact is a bit more apt to be reported. If stepdad is molesting, it is a little more difficult to come forward due to familial issues that would result. So I don't believe you can claim that statistic accurately. But even beyond that, we should outlaw all black people having relationships because they sleep around more? Or maybe some Latino's because they might be more statistically apt to molest. This sounds silly, same as your argument above.

>Finally, homosexuals do nothing to promote healthy >interaction between the sexes--including the production >of children.

Well, maybe thier goal isn't to "promote healthy interaction between sexes". Is that a prerequisite to becoming a human member of society?

Michelle
47 posted on 12/11/2003 7:34:07 AM PST by sunryse
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