[commish]

Stay home and let them win. You'll be so happy you proved yourself right.

Actually I think that is what a lot of the people around here want. They have spent thier whole life railing on an on about big bad papa gubmint that they do not know anything else.

Rather than take a small victory here and there, and work to hire more and more conservatives as time goes by, they would rather see all Leftists in office so they can rant and rave and holler and scream about how awful the government is.

The Liberals have always understood the idea of incremental politics .. just move things slowly the way you want them .. take your defeats here and there as long as the overall movement continues.

Meanwhile our side wants ALL or NOTHING. They don't , and never will, understand that things have to be done slowly or the Sheeple will not allow it to be done at all.

[Howlin]

Actually I think that is what a lot of the people around here want.

I don't think it; I KNOW it.

Meanwhile our side wants ALL or NOTHING.

No, "our side" does not; a few that SAY they are on "our side" say that; and their numbers on FR do NOT represent the real world.

[Taliesan]

the idea of incremental politics .. just move things slowly the way you want them .. take your defeats here and there as long as the overall movement continues.

Actually, this is the only way to do politics. The other alternative is revolution.

[hchutch]

Exactly.

The fact is, there is a significant all-or-nothing contingent on our side of the issue, and that is probably as big a problem as the lies of the Left in my book.

[Sabertooth]

Meanwhile our side wants ALL or NOTHING. They don't , and never will, understand that things have to be done slowly or the Sheeple will not allow it to be done at all.

Really, this is such a tired argument.

If you believe in freedom of political speech, then you'd want previous campaign finance laws overturned, save for a few full disclosure provisions. The complaint here is not that we didn't get all of what we want, it's not even that we got none of it. The complaint is that the enemies of free speech won an incremental victory, and our side enabled them to do that.

The mantras when this CFR bill was passed and signed were that this was one of the matters where we'd "take the Democrats issues away!(™)." and "the SCOTUS will throw it out."

The problem is that this issue never had traction with the electorate, so we had no reason to want to take it away, and now the SCOTUS has upheld significant portions of the CFR's restrictions on free political speech

The Liberals have always understood the idea of incremental politics .. just move things slowly the way you want them .. take your defeats here and there as long as the overall movement continues.

This is not an incremental victory for conservatism, it's a shot in the foot, and an affront to the First Amendment.

The problem with too many Republicans is that they define incrementalism by the same yardstick the Democrats do: incremental victories for the Left.

[Bob J]

Well said.