[Miss Marple]

You are assuming that all Congressmen and Senators would have voted the same way when the bill was returned for an override. McCain was gearing up for a huge PR push, and I think that an override was a distinct possibility.

As I said, I didn't agree, but I understood the reasoning. So sue me. The law is constitutional because the Supreme Court says it is, regardless of our opinions.

I did not expect this to be upheld. Neither did the President. Neither did Congressman Billybob, nor Mitch McConnell.

So, we can all whine and froth at the mouth, or we can start figuring out ways to get our message out and also figure out ways to get this law reversed.

Griping doesn't accomplish anything.

[Protagoras]

The law is constitutional because the Supreme Court says it is, regardless of our opinions.

So if they nullify the second amendment or the fifth as they have done with this, you think it will be constitutional just because a bunch of lefties say so? That's pitiful.

So, we can all whine and froth at the mouth, or we can start figuring out ways to get our message out and also figure out ways to get this law reversed.

Griping doesn't accomplish anything.

Whatever you do to accomplish your goal of getting this reversed, it will be concidered to be griping. If you say one word against this law, you are griping. How does that shoe fit on that foot?

[B Knotts]

The law is constitutional because the Supreme Court says it is, regardless of our opinions.

Hardly.

Abortion is not truly a constitutional right, is it?

Of course it isn't; the court decided wrongly in that case, and millions have suffered the consequences.

The fact that the court issues a hair-brained decision upholding a blatantly unconsitutional law doesn't make it constitutional; it just makes it legally enforceable.

[Sabertooth]

You are assuming that all Congressmen and Senators would have voted the same way when the bill was returned for an override. McCain was gearing up for a huge PR push, and I think that an override was a distinct possibility.

Not a very strong one. CFR didn't get 60% in either chamber, and the likelihood that Bush wouldn't have been sustained by enough Republicans to sustain his first veto stretches credulity.

As I said, I didn't agree, but I understood the reasoning. So sue me. The law is constitutional because the Supreme Court says it is, regardless of our opinions.

And the law would not be Constitutional if it had been vetoed. It wouldn't be a law at all.

I did not expect this to be upheld. Neither did the President. Neither did Congressman Billybob, nor Mitch McConnell.

I did. I thought this failure to veto was a reckless gamble.

So, we can all whine and froth at the mouth, or we can start figuring out ways to get our message out and also figure out ways to get this law reversed.

How about we look at why we lost on this in the first place?

We lost because we chose not to seize the victory available to us in the form of a veto. The "strategery" failed.

Rethinking is in order.