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Supreme Court Handing Down Ruling in Campaign Finance Reform (main parts upheld)
FOX News | 10 Dec 2003 | FOX News

Posted on 12/10/2003 7:09:03 AM PST by July 4th

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To: Mo1
I didn't put any words in your mouth, just stated the obvious. If Dubya knows that you will vote for him come hell or highwater, he can safely ignore any criticism from you. After all, there are *no* consequences to blowing you off. Heh, if it makes you feel empowered to believe otherwise, feel free to do so.

Politicians only respect one thing: votes. If they can take you for granted, they will.

421 posted on 12/10/2003 8:38:05 AM PST by Captain Kirk
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To: Petronski
This portion of the Thomas dissent would make a great tagline.

Wouldn't it ever!
Alas, it's a bit long.

422 posted on 12/10/2003 8:38:25 AM PST by Constitution Day (...the marketplace of ideas is to be fully open only to defamers, nude dancers, pornographers, flag)
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To: July 4th
This does not apply to you personally, only your issue advocacy group. Anyone here can still walk into a TV station, cut a check from their personal funds and run an attack ad.

It's a little different if you work in an issue advocacy department like I did in the 02 races......

423 posted on 12/10/2003 8:38:42 AM PST by Dan from Michigan ("if you wanna run cool, you got to run, on heavy heavy fuel" - Dire Straits)
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To: PhiKapMom
If Pres Bush had vetoed this bill the outcry would have far exceeded any possible gain.

From whom?

In election after election the Democrats never got any traction on CFR. It was a fantasy of the Beltway, the Left, and the Media. That's it.

There would have been no political cost to this veto had the President used it here.

The SCOTUS is out of control. They've been happy to fabricate rationalizations for amending the Constitution on a range of matters, including free speech and the First Amendment, for years. Most campaign finance laws are upheld.

President Bush had an obligation to the Constitution to veto this bill.


424 posted on 12/10/2003 8:38:53 AM PST by Sabertooth (Credit where it's due: saveourlicense.com prevented SB60, and the Illegal Alien CDLs... for now.)
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To: deport
You understood it too well. And some Freepers still think nothing is wrong with the country cause they have the shades on their train car pulled down and so can't see for the life of them its moving in the wrong direction.
425 posted on 12/10/2003 8:39:02 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: GeronL
Our best chance to stop this is to re-elect the people who did it???

Very well put. No way in hell Bush Jr. gets a vote from me. Between crap like this and his massive growth of Big Stupid Republican Government, he deserves the ashheap of history too.

426 posted on 12/10/2003 8:39:09 AM PST by Hank Rearden (Dick Gephardt. Before he dicks you.)
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To: Always Right
I warned people when Bush first signed this that SCOTUS was too unreliable to depend on them doing the right thing. Bush gambled that someone else would bail him out, and he lost big time.

What a disgrace.

427 posted on 12/10/2003 8:39:10 AM PST by NittanyLion
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To: All
Wednesday, March 27, 2002

WASHINGTON — President Bush signed the campaign finance reform bill into law in the Oval Office Wednesday without fanfare, but opponents of the measures immediately made hay of it by filing suit declaring the bill unconstitutional.

"I believe that this legislation, although far from perfect, will improve the current financing system for federal campaigns," Bush said in a written statement, pointing out several flaws in the bill.

"I believe individual freedom to participate in elections should be expanded, not diminished; and when individual freedoms are restricted, questions arise under the First Amendment. I also have reservations about the constitutionality of the broad ban on issue advertising... I expect that the courts will resolve these legitimate legal questions as appropriate under the law," he said.
428 posted on 12/10/2003 8:39:10 AM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: Impeach the Boy
Some of the people on this site would only consider Free Speech to be harmed if a law was passed ordering the mouths to be permanently shut with duct tape or otherwise. Then again, maybe I am just in the anarchistic contingent that includes Justice Thomas, Justice Scalia and Justice Rehnquist.
429 posted on 12/10/2003 8:39:12 AM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: sinkspur
You will be waiting longer than you have left. But nice try at changing the subject, it didn't work however.

The abject failure of this President to uphold his oath to defend the constitution should make you see the truth about these guys. But it doesn't because you now find yourself on the same side as Dane, I guess you always were.

430 posted on 12/10/2003 8:39:14 AM PST by Protagoras (Vote Republican, we're not as bad as the other guys.)
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To: Captain Kirk
I didn't put any words in your mouth, just stated the obvious. If Dubya knows that you will vote for him come hell or highwater, he can safely ignore any criticism from you. After all, there are *no* consequences to blowing you off. Heh, if it makes you feel empowered to believe otherwise, feel free to do so.

Gee .. I don't recall saying all of that ..

Nice try

431 posted on 12/10/2003 8:39:45 AM PST by Mo1 (House Work, If you do it right , will kill you!)
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To: Dan from Michigan
Very true! Under BCRA, and inkling of coordination gets nailed.
432 posted on 12/10/2003 8:39:46 AM PST by July 4th (George W. Bush, Avenger of the Bones)
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To: seamole
He's surely got my vote!
433 posted on 12/10/2003 8:39:53 AM PST by Howlin (Bush has stolen two things which Democrats believe they own by right: the presidency & the future)
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To: goldstategop
"As long as Congress isn't too blatant about it, it can gag the rest of the country any way it likes."

The frog doesn't notice the temps. going up.

434 posted on 12/10/2003 8:40:05 AM PST by spunkets
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To: PhiKapMom
Not that I'm defending this total piece of crap from the court, but the decision only affects groups, not you personally.

That deserved big bold lettering. People's freedom of speech have not been stopped by this bill -- never was and never will be. Like you said, they can write any amount of check they want to buy an add.

I don't recall any individual exception to the BCRA speech ban. And if individuals are exempt, why would Soros donate $10 million to a group he doesn't control rather than produce and pay for his own ads? The same applies to the Hollywood donors to Ickes' media fund.

435 posted on 12/10/2003 8:40:15 AM PST by Law
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To: Pietro
How do you figure he f'ed up? Bush likes the bill he signed, or he wouldn't have signed it. He agrees with the provisions within it. Never ever listen to the words of politicians, watch what they do and judge that only. Words are for twisting, politicians by definition are liars, like lawyers and car salesmen.
436 posted on 12/10/2003 8:40:26 AM PST by jeremiah (Sunshine scares all of them, for they all are cockaroaches)
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To: jeremiah
place setting....till I return.
437 posted on 12/10/2003 8:40:54 AM PST by goodnesswins (If Hillary RUNS for Prez........ahhhh....................I can't say it.....)
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To: Sabertooth
The problem with too many Republicans is that they define incrementalism by the same yardstick the Democrats do: incremental victories for the Left.

Just damn.

438 posted on 12/10/2003 8:41:20 AM PST by BureaucratusMaximus (if we're not going to act like a constitutional republic...lets be the best empire we can be...)
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To: Sabertooth
President Bush had an obligation to the Constitution to veto this bill.

Yep. Of course, FreeRepublic's resident experts assured me SCOTUS would strike the bad parts down, even as I claimed SCOTUS was too unpredictable to make that assertion.

Bush gambled, and lost.

439 posted on 12/10/2003 8:41:21 AM PST by NittanyLion
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To: jeremiah
The ruling is crazy. I expect these rulings to continue to desecrate the Constitution
440 posted on 12/10/2003 8:41:25 AM PST by GeronL (My tagline for rent..... $5 per month or 550 posts/replies, whichever comes first... its a bargain!!)
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