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To: PhiKapMom
If Pres Bush had vetoed this bill the outcry would have far exceeded any possible gain.

From whom?

In election after election the Democrats never got any traction on CFR. It was a fantasy of the Beltway, the Left, and the Media. That's it.

There would have been no political cost to this veto had the President used it here.

The SCOTUS is out of control. They've been happy to fabricate rationalizations for amending the Constitution on a range of matters, including free speech and the First Amendment, for years. Most campaign finance laws are upheld.

President Bush had an obligation to the Constitution to veto this bill.


424 posted on 12/10/2003 8:38:53 AM PST by Sabertooth (Credit where it's due: saveourlicense.com prevented SB60, and the Illegal Alien CDLs... for now.)
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To: Sabertooth
President Bush had an obligation to the Constitution to veto this bill.

Yep. Of course, FreeRepublic's resident experts assured me SCOTUS would strike the bad parts down, even as I claimed SCOTUS was too unpredictable to make that assertion.

Bush gambled, and lost.

439 posted on 12/10/2003 8:41:21 AM PST by NittanyLion
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To: Sabertooth
"President Bush had an obligation to the Constitution to veto this bill."

I agree.

IMHO................

His signing the bill proves one thing..........

He is a politician, period. Nothing more, nothing less.

Forget all the hype about bush the man, deal with bush the politician and act accordingly.

This applies to the rest of the elected as well.

Before you put your "faith" in anyone who wants your money and your vote, consider what's in it for them...........

because that's what they are doing.
462 posted on 12/10/2003 8:46:51 AM PST by WhiteGuy (Congress shall make no law... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press...)
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To: Sabertooth
Excellent points. We're losing our nation incrementally.

If the courts can create "rights" not found in the Constitution (abortion, sodomy, gay marriage) then there's nothing to stop them from obliterating rights that are found there (free speech, gun rights).

If we have a "living constitution", then like any organic entity, it needs to lose dead cells every now and then to make way for the new ones. The Supremes today ditched a few dead cells from the 1st Amendment.

Of course, we'll hear the usual arguments from the accommodationists here. It's not all bad, we'll be told, because lefties can't buy political ads during the 60 days prior to elections either.

Well, first of all, I support the right of lefties to buy ads. I'm not interested in suppressing my rivals' free speech. But it any event, it will hurt us more than them. We rely on independent ads to get the word out past the filter of the leftist news media. Talk radio (which will likely now be restricted with a new fairness doctrine once the Dems get control of government again) and internet blogs can't compete with the incessant drone of propaganda from the networks. Many conservatives have won close elections because of pro-lifers and other conservatives running issue ads exposing the leftist records of opposing candidates. In short, we've had more success with this type of activism than the left has had. It's been a way for us to get around the media and express our opinions, and now it's gone.

But even many conservatives will continue to stick their heads in the sand, as they always do when one of these idiotic court rulings is handed down. My favorite example would be the people who come on here and ask whether the ruling will really affect my life.

As in:

"Does it really affect your life if the courts redefine the institution of marriage to allow two men to marry?"

"Does it really affect your life if the courts fabricate a right to sodomy out of thin air and impose it on the states?"

"Does it really affect your life if the courts violate the principle of federalism to impose abortion on demand on the states?"

Nawwwww! None of that stuff affects us. Nothing to see here, folks. Just go on with your private life and leave constitutional "interpretation" to experts. Maybe then we can have a more (ahem) orderly society like Europe, a place we should all strive to emulate.
535 posted on 12/10/2003 9:03:43 AM PST by puroresu
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