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Gold-Dealers conscripted to spy on you?
321gold ^ | December 9, 2003 | Alex Wallenwein

Posted on 12/09/2003 3:34:13 PM PST by Jason_b

Gold-Dealers conscripted to spy on you?
Alex Wallenwein
Email: awallenwein@houston.rr.com
December 9, 2003

Just forget about buying and owning gold and other precious metals in privacy, as you have been able to do until now.

A new intelligence spending bill (HB 2417) has reportedly just passed Congress and is awaiting the President's signature by this coming Saturday, December 13, 2003. Tucked inside that bill is a provision that allows the FBI to serve so-called "national security letters" on a broader range of "financial institutions." National security letters require these institutions to reveal their customers' private financial as well as general information, including "tangible things."

It's no news that banks have been conscripted to spy on you. Everyone knows that by now. But this recent measure redefines "financial institutions," [a term] that was previously limited to banks, credit unions, and savings and loan organizations. Now the definition also includes brokers and dealers registered with the Securities and Exchange Commission, investment bankers, operators of credit-card systems, insurance companies, dealers in precious metals, stones, or jewels, licensed senders of money, telegraph companies, airplane and boat dealers, Realtors and estate closings, and the U.S. Post Office.

By this change, Congress has surreptitiously expanded the scope of businesses upon which so-called "national security letters" can be served by the FBI in order to obtain financial records without any prior court order, without even the slim judicial supervision that was previously provided by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court in such matters.

There was virtually no debate on this part of the bill, despite a letter sent to the Senate Intelligence Committee by the ACLU requesting more time and due consideration of this provision..

Private investors throughout the United States had better get up on their hind legs and demand that the President NOT sign this bill as passed - or just lie down forever and wait for their government's jack-booted minions and tank tracks to roll right over them.

What this administration - and this Congress - (collectively called your" elected leaders") have done to your constitutionally guaranteed fundamental rights unde the excuse of the 9-11 tragedy makes even avowed enemies of freedom like Bill Clinton and Franklin D. Roosevelt pale with envy.

This was supposed to be the administration that ran on a conservative platform aiming to reduce government. What we got was a neocon-drive toward ever greater invasion of every single part of our lives in the name of "national security" - or whatever it is that goes under today's Nazi-like nomenclature of "homeland defense." Why not just call it "fatherland defense" and be straight up about it?

Under the Orwellian misnomer of an Act that goes by the name of the "USA-PATRIOT" Act, our rubber-stamp Congress has already previously given the administration carte blanche to create a national database that will record every single citizen's and resident's credit card transaction, no matter whether you're buying a pound of butter at your local grocery store, or a birthday present for uncle Freddie in Idaho.

One controversial provision of that Act, the so-called "TIPS" program, was trying to give legal sanction to your neighbors, your milk man, phone repair guy, or cab driver to spy on you and report any "suspicious activity" or item (not defined, no judicial oversight) they happen to see in your home or in your possession to your benevolent rulers - for PAY!

And now this.

Your own preferred gold dealer, no matter how liberty-oriented or meticulously conscious of your financial privacy he may be by his own convictions, can now be conscripted to supply your government with every last detail of financial information he has about you.

Do you buy gold and just store it at home? You must be a gold "hoarder," someone who intends to undermine the great American paper-fed economy. Do you buy gold and transfer it to an offshore digital gold currency provider? You must be a terrorist sympathizer who is trying to launder money or transfer it without "official oversight." After all, "if you are an upstanding citizen, you have nothing to hide, do you??"

Are you buying expensive jewelry for your wife for Christmas? Your government wants to know every last detail about it.

Meanwhile, illegal immigrants are swamping our national borders to the South and the North, and this administration does nothing - except maybe undermine citizens' efforts to police their own borders in an attempt to fill the gaping security void left by this government. Muslim terrorists are amassing in Paraguay, preparing to strike "the Homeland." We hear nothing about it from our leaders.

What are our Congressmen and women thinking? Probably not much. They probably don't even read these outrageous provisions that are being sneaked into appropriations bills on an almost daily basis - provisions that are never even debated on the floor. Congressman Ron Paul has repeatedly pointed these things out. He has warned of the draconian provisions of the "Patriot" Act, only for the entire Congress to pass it virtually unanimously. I think his was the only dissenting vote.

Our politicians don't read the Constitution anymore. Left-liberals restrict their reading to the first amendment's free speech and establishment clauses, and self-described right-conservatives only read the second amendment. The rest of it appears to be superfluous verbiage to them.

That makes it incumbent upon you, the citizens of this country, including investors, to read, study, understand, and know the whole enchilada, including its foundational history - or you will end up living in the "People's Republic of the Americas" before you blink. If that's how it turns out to be, you will have only yourself to blame.

If you want your gold dealer to be your government's unwilling spy on you, please do nothing. Just ignore this article, return to your daily activities, and wait until you are contacted to receive your government mandated, implanted ID chip (just recently brought to market by a company named "Applied Digital Solutions" by the way).

And for your personal safety, you may wish to stop accessing the web sites where you have just read this article. Your personal Internet browsing habits are already being scrutinized. They may reveal that you have an "anti-administration" bias. And you know what that means:

You are suspect!

Never mind the actual terrorists. They are real, their threat is real, but they are just the official reason for instituting these attacks on your Liberty. Not coincidentally, the White House keeps blocking even Congressional investigations into the causes of 9-11.

This concerns not only precious metals investors.

It concerns car buyers, US Postal Service customers, bank customers, Western Union customers, credit card users, people who take out insurance on anything, boat owners, stock and mutual fund investors - and anyone who has the gall to voice their personal political opinions, no matter whether considered "left" or "right" - and practically everyone who breathes air and ingests food on a more or less regular basis.

If you do feel it is incumbent upon you to do something about this, please contact www.millionsofamericans.com. This is the correct link. I have tested it. The last one was unfortunately misspelled and did not work.

Contact "Millions of Americans.com" and encourage its founder, Bruce Eberle, to prepare and launch a petition drive to dissuade President Bush from signing that atrocious bill into law in its present form. You can send an e-mail to Mr. Eberle from this page: Go to the link "Write Us" in the top navigation bar.

Forward this piece via electronic Internet messaging systems (called e*m*a*i*l) to every one you know and their brother. You do not need to ask my permission for reproducing this article in any or/offline forum, as long as it is complete, without any changes, subtractions, or additions. You may, however, change the title to address it to your particular constituency. Just make it attention-grabbing.

This must not stand!

Got gall?

Alex Wallenwein Email: awallenwein@houston.rr.com


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: gold; patriotactii; privacy; wordsfailme
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To: Old Professer
So, you advocate "vendor shopping?"

No. I advocate diversity in suppliers. Same with groceries, gasoline, other commodities. For reasons of personal security and privacy. Privacy protects against criminal as well as other intrusions.

41 posted on 12/09/2003 7:00:39 PM PST by templar
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To: Beck_isright
You've never been to any flea markets in Ohio, have you? Coin dealers don't set up there. Now if you're looking for used clothing or power tools from less than legitimate sources, it's the place to be.
42 posted on 12/09/2003 7:04:33 PM PST by Orangedog (difference between a hamster & a gerbil?..there's more dark-meat on a hamster!)
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To: Jason_b
i'm a goldsmith by trade and i put all my extra money into land. real estate is the only way to go. you can't eat gold but that venison steak i ate last night were pretty tasty.
43 posted on 12/09/2003 7:13:00 PM PST by gdc61
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To: sourcery
If things got so bad that money was worthless, then only water, food and weapons would have any real value.

Add sex & drugs to your list..

44 posted on 12/09/2003 7:22:57 PM PST by AntiGuv (When the countdown hits zero, something's gonna happen..)
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To: Beck_isright

No, but I am aware that the ideologue fringers all bleat the same whiney song:

"There is no difference between the Democrats and Republicans since both parties refuse to ..." (and here you can substitute any crackpot idea):


45 posted on 12/09/2003 7:40:02 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: gdc61
"real estate is the only way to go. you can't eat gold but that venison steak i ate last night were pretty tasty."

Can you pay your real estate taxes with venison steaks?

46 posted on 12/09/2003 7:44:23 PM PST by cibco (Xin Loi... Saddam)
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To: cibco

VERSUS

Hmmmmmmmmmmm........

47 posted on 12/09/2003 7:50:48 PM PST by AntiGuv (When the countdown hits zero, something's gonna happen..)
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To: Cultural Jihad
At least my party wasn't listed, LOL! But the sad part is that until we take a more Hamiltonian approach, our Republic and the rights given in the Constitution are endangered.
48 posted on 12/09/2003 7:54:37 PM PST by Beck_isright (So if Canada and France are our "allies" in the war on terror, does this make surrender imminent?)
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To: AntiGuv
I prefer elk. Mmmmmmmm...
49 posted on 12/09/2003 8:18:10 PM PST by cibco (Xin Loi... Saddam)
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To: Beck_isright
I thought we had taken the Hamiltonian approach. Did I miss something?
50 posted on 12/09/2003 8:22:14 PM PST by DeaconBenjamin
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To: DeaconBenjamin
I thought we had taken the Hamiltonian approach. Did I miss something?

Yes. After taking Hamilton's approach, we just kept going in that direction, 'ab absurdum,' as the Romans would say. Hamilton would disavow any credit for our grotesque distortion of his "approach."

51 posted on 12/09/2003 9:33:54 PM PST by sourcery (This is your country. This is your country under socialism. Any questions? Just say no to Socialism!)
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To: Jason_b
I appreciate your subtle humor.

It took me a couple minutes to figure out what you were saying. Thanks but I had no idea the way I was saying when I wrote it. Yaw, let me get the spies in here!
52 posted on 12/09/2003 10:33:31 PM PST by jwh_Denver (Should I send my schedule for tomorrow to the goverment?)
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To: headsonpikes
Own gold and lead!

If it comes to another attack and it all falls apart, guess which one people will be desperate for? A lot of people may have guns, but I don't know many with much ammo. :))

53 posted on 12/10/2003 1:31:37 AM PST by Indie (Abortion: A holocaust of 45million..and counting... in America alone.)
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To: sourcery
You are right of course. TSHTF cartridges and whiskey would be the currency. My thoughts are along the lines of that not happening and just the paper Federal Reserve Note debt token (FRNDT)losing relative exchange value against the dollar for some time to come.

That didn't make sense? To me it does. First I have begun to refuse to call our currency dollars even though every one else does. When I mention dollars above I am really talking about gold. I have one or more gold eagles with a face value of $50.00. I believe they are telling the truth. Therefore we do have a gold standard that fixes one Dollar to 1/50 Oz of gold. But this gold standard in no way tries to determine how many FRNDTs buy an ounce of gold; the market determines that and it is always changing. It is enough to accept that there is a gold standard, and that in one dollar there is 1/50 Oz of gold. All your gold eagles are both evidence and proof of that. Case closed. I am NOT suggesting that goods and services are priced in gold. That is not the requirement for a gold standard anyway. Just that a CERTAIN amount of gold equals one dollar and that has been fulfilled. What remains is to stop calling dollars those which are not dollars.

Regarding my refusal to refer to our currency (that prices common goods and services) as dollars, I look at it this way. The elites have exercised their power to define terms and as a result we are oblivious to the real gold standard of 1/50 Oz to the dollar (the dollar is always of gold) as I described above, and we willingly call dollars things that almost defy definition. This can only be the result of brainwashing. Orwell was right. There is a huge brainwashed cult of people in the United States who believe that bank credit created from nothing, composed of nothing but an agreement to pay back with interest, made visible by a piece of paper or numbers on a computer screen---are dollars. This when real dollars are around to be seen. How can anyone look at a gold eagle with face value of $50.00 and continue to believe bank credit is dollars? I can't. I believe the banks are lying about their credit being dollars and I would support calling them anything but dollars.

In the movie "Total Recall" several times money was exchanged. The amount asked for was so many "credits." This would work. I think one of the writers of "Total Recall" knew what was going on with the Federal Reserve and snuck that in.

This has gone so far with me that in email to another person I have a different set of agreed upon symbols to denominate money.

When I mean a gold eagle at one ounce, I type:
$50.00 (read fifty dollars) because that is the face value of one ounce of gold.

When I mean FRNDT Fed Res Note Debt Tokens, I type:
!50.00 (read fifty credits, following total recall) because that is the face value of tokens that identify bank credit borrowed at interest, promised to be paid back someday. I chose the exclamation point because it signifies surprise, and I think the founders would be unpleasantly surpried if they knew the degree to which the elites have control over the people.

Either way, $50.00, !50.00, you know exactly to which I refer. It is concise and precise. ! can be combined to signify all debt based currencies. !euro50.00
!pound50.00
!peso50.00
even !dollar50.00 you know means !50.00 and not $50.00.
I would refuse to write $gold50.00 as that would be redundant. $=gold and gold=$ end of story.

Nutty? Maybe. Over the gate at a NAZI concentraton camp, there was ironwork spelling out that "in work there is freedom" or some such as if that was supposed to make dying Jews feel better. Orwell warned that those who would control the masses would seek to control the definitions of words. This is my little way of resisting that.

54 posted on 12/10/2003 5:22:24 AM PST by Jason_b
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To: sarcasm
Can you name one state of the Union that has the power to confiscate the gold of its citizens? Neither can I. If not one state has the power, then what makes the representatives of the states think that if they get together in one big room, they can do it? It is as if one burglar wants to break into someone's house and steal his property, but is having second thoughts about the illegality of it. So he gets 50 of his acquaintances together, all criminals and burglars, thinking that their number will make the robbery OK. Something to think about. How can the federal government have the power to take the citizens' gold when no one in Congress individually nor the governors of the states have that power?

In other words, the only powers the federal government has are those which the states had first prior to delegating them. Confiscation of gold was not one of the powers the states had. Therefore, there is no way they federal government can have that power.
55 posted on 12/10/2003 5:31:40 AM PST by Jason_b
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To: headsonpikes
I tried storing all my gold in a vat of mercury. Ooops.

(just kidding).

56 posted on 12/10/2003 5:35:00 AM PST by bvw
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To: DeaconBenjamin
I think Hamilton always conceived that paper would be redeemable in gold and silver. He never in his life saw a "note" that read merely "this note is legal tender for all debts public and private." He also stated in his writings that all national debts would have a built-in method of being paid off. He knew a nation of people could be set up in a situation where the debt can never be paid off, and he didn't want that. What he wanted was the financial eqivalent of being a little pregnant. He wanted to play the games that risked us becoming what we are while others were strictly opposed to putting that foot on the slippery slope.
57 posted on 12/10/2003 5:36:16 AM PST by Jason_b
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To: jwh_Denver
No, not getting the spies in here.
I said if there's a list please ping.
You said there IS a list, I'm pinging HIM now.
The list of one person (other than me) interested in gold.
That's about true, but funny too.
58 posted on 12/10/2003 5:39:14 AM PST by Jason_b
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To: Jason_b
bump
59 posted on 12/10/2003 5:42:19 AM PST by abbi_normal_2
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To: Jason_b
What we got was a neocon-drive toward ever greater invasion of every single part of our lives in the name of "national security" - or whatever it is that goes under today's Nazi-like nomenclature of "homeland defense." Why not just call it "fatherland defense" and be straight up about it?

Bingo. And may I also add how warm and fuzzy I feel about having federal agents at every airport in the country, at the ready to strip search me every time I travel.

The silence from the right about the intrusion on our liberties has been deafening. Why are we not outraged that a citizen can be jailed indefinitely without the rights to attorney ot trial? The constitution is more than just the second amendment, folks. Just because a Republican is in charge does not mean it won't get trampled on.

60 posted on 12/10/2003 5:50:28 AM PST by massadvj
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