Gold-Dealers conscripted to spy on you?

321gold ^ | December 9, 2003 | Alex Wallenwein

[templar]

So, you advocate "vendor shopping?"

No. I advocate diversity in suppliers. Same with groceries, gasoline, other commodities. For reasons of personal security and privacy. Privacy protects against criminal as well as other intrusions.

[Orangedog]

You've never been to any flea markets in Ohio, have you? Coin dealers don't set up there. Now if you're looking for used clothing or power tools from less than legitimate sources, it's the place to be.

[gdc61]

i'm a goldsmith by trade and i put all my extra money into land. real estate is the only way to go. you can't eat gold but that venison steak i ate last night were pretty tasty.

[AntiGuv]

If things got so bad that money was worthless, then only water, food and weapons would have any real value.

Add sex & drugs to your list..

[Cultural Jihad]

Apparently you haven't seen the positions of the Republicrat and Demipublican parties lately.

No, but I am aware that the ideologue fringers all bleat the same whiney song:

"There is no difference between the Democrats and Republicans since both parties refuse to ..." (and here you can substitute any crackpot idea):

• "... machinegun women and children at the border." -- Reform Party
• "... ban the internal combustion engine and protect heroin consumption as a right." -- Greens Party
• "... outlaw wage-slavery and protect heroin consumption as a right." -- Socialist Worker's Party "... burn down the public schools and protect heroin consumption as a right." -- Libertarian Party

[cibco]

"real estate is the only way to go. you can't eat gold but that venison steak i ate last night were pretty tasty."

Can you pay your real estate taxes with venison steaks?

[AntiGuv]

VERSUS

Hmmmmmmmmmmm........

[Beck_isright]

At least my party wasn't listed, LOL! But the sad part is that until we take a more Hamiltonian approach, our Republic and the rights given in the Constitution are endangered.

[cibco]

I prefer elk. Mmmmmmmm...

[DeaconBenjamin]

I thought we had taken the Hamiltonian approach. Did I miss something?

[sourcery]

I thought we had taken the Hamiltonian approach. Did I miss something?

Yes. After taking Hamilton's approach, we just kept going in that direction, 'ab absurdum,' as the Romans would say. Hamilton would disavow any credit for our grotesque distortion of his "approach."

[jwh_Denver]

I appreciate your subtle humor.

It took me a couple minutes to figure out what you were saying. Thanks but I had no idea the way I was saying when I wrote it. Yaw, let me get the spies in here!

[Indie]

Own gold and lead!

If it comes to another attack and it all falls apart, guess which one people will be desperate for? A lot of people may have guns, but I don't know many with much ammo. :))

[Jason_b]

You are right of course. TSHTF cartridges and whiskey would be the currency. My thoughts are along the lines of that not happening and just the paper Federal Reserve Note debt token (FRNDT)losing relative exchange value against the dollar for some time to come.

That didn't make sense? To me it does. First I have begun to refuse to call our currency dollars even though every one else does. When I mention dollars above I am really talking about gold. I have one or more gold eagles with a face value of $50.00. I believe they are telling the truth. Therefore we do have a gold standard that fixes one Dollar to 1/50 Oz of gold. But this gold standard in no way tries to determine how many FRNDTs buy an ounce of gold; the market determines that and it is always changing. It is enough to accept that there is a gold standard, and that in one dollar there is 1/50 Oz of gold. All your gold eagles are both evidence and proof of that. Case closed. I am NOT suggesting that goods and services are priced in gold. That is not the requirement for a gold standard anyway. Just that a CERTAIN amount of gold equals one dollar and that has been fulfilled. What remains is to stop calling dollars those which are not dollars.

Regarding my refusal to refer to our currency (that prices common goods and services) as dollars, I look at it this way. The elites have exercised their power to define terms and as a result we are oblivious to the real gold standard of 1/50 Oz to the dollar (the dollar is always of gold) as I described above, and we willingly call dollars things that almost defy definition. This can only be the result of brainwashing. Orwell was right. There is a huge brainwashed cult of people in the United States who believe that bank credit created from nothing, composed of nothing but an agreement to pay back with interest, made visible by a piece of paper or numbers on a computer screen---are dollars. This when real dollars are around to be seen. How can anyone look at a gold eagle with face value of $50.00 and continue to believe bank credit is dollars? I can't. I believe the banks are lying about their credit being dollars and I would support calling them anything but dollars.

In the movie "Total Recall" several times money was exchanged. The amount asked for was so many "credits." This would work. I think one of the writers of "Total Recall" knew what was going on with the Federal Reserve and snuck that in.

This has gone so far with me that in email to another person I have a different set of agreed upon symbols to denominate money.

When I mean a gold eagle at one ounce, I type:
$50.00 (read fifty dollars) because that is the face value of one ounce of gold.

When I mean FRNDT Fed Res Note Debt Tokens, I type:
!50.00 (read fifty credits, following total recall) because that is the face value of tokens that identify bank credit borrowed at interest, promised to be paid back someday. I chose the exclamation point because it signifies surprise, and I think the founders would be unpleasantly surpried if they knew the degree to which the elites have control over the people.

Either way, $50.00, !50.00, you know exactly to which I refer. It is concise and precise. ! can be combined to signify all debt based currencies. !euro50.00
!pound50.00
!peso50.00
even !dollar50.00 you know means !50.00 and not $50.00.
I would refuse to write $gold50.00 as that would be redundant. $=gold and gold=$ end of story.

Nutty? Maybe. Over the gate at a NAZI concentraton camp, there was ironwork spelling out that "in work there is freedom" or some such as if that was supposed to make dying Jews feel better. Orwell warned that those who would control the masses would seek to control the definitions of words. This is my little way of resisting that.

[Jason_b]

Can you name one state of the Union that has the power to confiscate the gold of its citizens? Neither can I. If not one state has the power, then what makes the representatives of the states think that if they get together in one big room, they can do it? It is as if one burglar wants to break into someone's house and steal his property, but is having second thoughts about the illegality of it. So he gets 50 of his acquaintances together, all criminals and burglars, thinking that their number will make the robbery OK. Something to think about. How can the federal government have the power to take the citizens' gold when no one in Congress individually nor the governors of the states have that power?

In other words, the only powers the federal government has are those which the states had first prior to delegating them. Confiscation of gold was not one of the powers the states had. Therefore, there is no way they federal government can have that power.

[bvw]

I tried storing all my gold in a vat of mercury. Ooops.

(just kidding).

[Jason_b]

I think Hamilton always conceived that paper would be redeemable in gold and silver. He never in his life saw a "note" that read merely "this note is legal tender for all debts public and private." He also stated in his writings that all national debts would have a built-in method of being paid off. He knew a nation of people could be set up in a situation where the debt can never be paid off, and he didn't want that. What he wanted was the financial eqivalent of being a little pregnant. He wanted to play the games that risked us becoming what we are while others were strictly opposed to putting that foot on the slippery slope.

[Jason_b]

No, not getting the spies in here.
I said if there's a list please ping.
You said there IS a list, I'm pinging HIM now.
The list of one person (other than me) interested in gold.
That's about true, but funny too.

[abbi_normal_2]

bump

[massadvj]

What we got was a neocon-drive toward ever greater invasion of every single part of our lives in the name of "national security" - or whatever it is that goes under today's Nazi-like nomenclature of "homeland defense." Why not just call it "fatherland defense" and be straight up about it?

Bingo. And may I also add how warm and fuzzy I feel about having federal agents at every airport in the country, at the ready to strip search me every time I travel.

The silence from the right about the intrusion on our liberties has been deafening. Why are we not outraged that a citizen can be jailed indefinitely without the rights to attorney ot trial? The constitution is more than just the second amendment, folks. Just because a Republican is in charge does not mean it won't get trampled on.