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DHL/EAT Crew Lands A300 With No Hydraulics After Being Hit By Missile
Aviation Week & Space Technology ^
| 12/7/2003
| David Hughes and Michael A. Dornheim
Posted on 12/09/2003 12:19:34 PM PST by UNGN
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This was almost a Disaster. Imagine if it was a commercial plane full of troops coming home on leave.
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posted on
12/09/2003 12:19:38 PM PST
by
UNGN
To: UNGN
Primary flight controls become inoperative on the A300B4 with total loss of hydraulic pressure, because there is no manual reversion. Oops. What kind of French dough-head designs a zero-fault tolerant control system?
IIRC, after the Iowa landing, engines-only landings of that sort became a standard training scenario for American airline pilots. I'm wondering if the DHL guys had had some training, too -- the article isn't quite clear on it.
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posted on
12/09/2003 12:25:18 PM PST
by
r9etb
To: UNGN
IMAGINE if it was Hillary's plane back to the states after her "mission".
To: UNGN
According to one aviation source familiar with the incident in Baghdad, the incredible feat of airmanship is explained partly by a safety seminar the DHL/European Air Transport (EAT) captain attended in Brussels earlier this year. In a stroke of luck, one of the speakers was retired Capt. Al Haynes. In 1989, Haynes commanded a United Airlines DC-10 in which all the hydraulics had been lost due to a center engine rotor burst in cruise. Using engine thrust alone, the United crew was able to crash-land the crippled aircraft at the Sioux City, Iowa, airport, and the majority of the passengers survived. The sign of a serious hero. Capt. Al Haynes' actions are saving lives long after the actual heroic event.
To: r9etb
Oops. What kind of French dough-head designs a zero-fault tolerant control system? The same kind of Frenchman that designs a Tail not to withstand pilot rudder inputs.
The same kind of Frenchman that stands there filming when Missiles are being launched against a Commercial Airliner.
Is there any other kind of Frenchman?
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posted on
12/09/2003 12:29:03 PM PST
by
UNGN
(I've been here since '98 but had nothing to say until now)
To: Dark Wing
ping
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posted on
12/09/2003 12:29:50 PM PST
by
Thud
To: UNGN
A Paris Match magazine freelance photographer was with the attackers and shot pictures of the missile launch and strike, which are in the Nov. 27 issue.F the French.
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posted on
12/09/2003 12:32:48 PM PST
by
Yossarian
(1 CA Governor down, 1 CA Senate and 1 CA House to go...)
To: r9etb
To: r9etb
It's my understanding (being a non-aviator) that the pilot's input into the control systems of an Airbus are equally matched with 4 redundant computers. In essence, the pilot has one of 5 "votes" when deciding what to do to the aircraft to change its course.
Rumor has it that it is the subject of books written by Airbus pilots, and they constantly discuss these things amongst themselves: how to perform specific tricks to outsmart the other 4 computer systems that will be "voting" against them.
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posted on
12/09/2003 12:39:52 PM PST
by
brewcrew
To: UNGN
A Paris Match magazine freelance photographer was with the attackers and shot pictures of the missile launch and strike, which are in the Nov. 27 issue.Have they set a date for this guy's execution yet?
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posted on
12/09/2003 12:41:48 PM PST
by
T.Smith
To: brewcrew
It's my understanding (being a non-aviator) that the pilot's input into the control systems of an Airbus are equally matched with 4 redundant computers. In essence, the pilot has one of 5 "votes" when deciding what to do to the aircraft to change its course. Probably true. However, no amount of computer voting will control an aircraft that requires hyrdaulic fluid, and has none.
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posted on
12/09/2003 12:42:16 PM PST
by
r9etb
To: eyespysomething
It is generally regarded as one of the great engineering failures in the history of firearms.LOL
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To: eyespysomething
Chauchat machine gun May the frogs never be forgiven for that abhominable design.
To: ArrogantBustard
Yep, not much brain power put into that huh?
To: UNGN
I'm not making light of the incident but it is interesting that a German-owned aircraft built by the French was brought down by a Russian missile.
To: The_Victor
retired Capt. Al Haynes. In 1989, Haynes commanded a United Airlines DC-10 in which all the hydraulics had been lost due to a center engine rotor burst in cruise. I believe the report I read at the time said that it was not Haynes but an instructor who had been in first class who came up to the cockpit and flew with the throttles while sitting on the floor between the seats.
To: Ronaldus Magnus
I believe the report I read at the time said that it was not Haynes but an instructor who had been in first class who came up to the cockpit and flew with the throttles while sitting on the floor between the seats. I've never heard that one before. All the reports I saw credited Haynes "learning" how to fly the crippled DC-10.
To: Ronaldus Magnus
A quick search turned up this from
http://eudoxus.usc.edu/PCA/pca.html Contrary to the realistically motivated consensus at that time that this flight should have ended in disaster, Captain Al Haynes, with the help of United Captain and DC-10 Flight Instructor Dennis Fitch, quickly improvised a way to keep control of the aircraft by maneuvering the throttles of the remaining wing engines.
You are correct. Learn something new everyday. :)
To: UNGN
A tight pucker article......
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posted on
12/09/2003 1:22:01 PM PST
by
bert
(Don't Panic!)
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