[Protagoras]

What I should have said is that opposing the Patriot Act doesn't say if you are conservative or not, since libertarians and leftists universally oppose it. My phrasing was poor.

If you had said that, it would have been incorrect. Many lefties love it. They can't wait to get their grubby little paws on it's provisions when they get back in power. Many of it's provisions were Democratic initiatives which were defeated by conservatives and other concerned Americans before being embraced by them after the Republicans co-opted them.

And I have never found anything that libertarians universally agree upon. Organizing them is like herding cats.

[William McKinley]

Many lefties love it.

I sure would appreciate if you could point me to some. I look at DU, I see no such examples. I go to the pages of radical left groups like the CPUSA, and I see no such evidence. I look at the anarchist left, and I see no such evidence.

What I see when I look at those places, is universal opposition.

Then I look at this forum, and I see a split verdict; some support, some opposition. In other words, I see what I described above- conservatives can come down on either side of the issue, while leftists oppose it.