[Trollstomper]

Look.. I directly and factually commented on a known event,much publicised. You can draw whatever conclusion you wish. The USSS came into a WH outreach group meeting (Faith Based Initiatives) and removed Samil AlArian's sone. They did this, as they said anyway, because his name came up as an alternative name for his father, who was on their bad list. Grover and Saffuri made a "federal issue" --that is to say the screamed "Civil rights" an the whoel gang joined the. Mahdi Bray, a former SDS member who was in the mtg later called his rump group the White House 8 because they went out and clung to the WH fence in defiance until the news people came. All above saw it as an opporunity to take advantage of a law enforcement "mistake" (doing their job)and run the "civil rights bloddy shirt up the pole. So , swinging into action, Al Arian et cie demand an apology; Grover and Saffuri got Rove to demand teh USSS write one, they get this asked about at the press con, the press secy says the President is aware and sorry and their can be no such behavior, profilingor whateve, and calls Mrs Al Arian to apologize and convey that the USSS has been directed to do the same. Rove and Grover and the lobby made up thier own tempest so they could serve their agenda and the President looks like he is putting a slug in "racism" and profiling, the USSS gets chewed out for doing their job, everyone gets the message not to do THAT again, and that Grover is one powerful dude. The muj get to cite the example for ever, and get on TV immediately, and the wife of the now-jailed worldwide secretary of the Palestinian Islamic ihad, gets a phoned apology from the President and an aoplogy from the USSS. Yeah, ain't it nuts? That's the sorry, that's what I referred to, the rest is your smoke.

[Nick Danger]

the rest is your smoke.

No, I think you brought enough smoke for both of us. Let's have another toke of this stuff:

Last,in this same vein: the same is true of Grover's donor and his successor as Islamic Insitute chairman, Talaat Othman. Othman is an old Bush family friend, so much so that he is invested for 17 % of W's oil company, Harken Energy, on behalf of his Saudi boss gigilionaire Sheikh Baksh. Othman was appointed to the Texas State Utilities commission, even though he lives in Illinois. Othman also gave the invocation at the GOP 2000 convention (the first Muslim at either Party's convention, and possibly at Grover's suggestion)

Enough with the innuendo, and enough with the "Grover did it." Here you bring us an "old Bush family friend," that Grover Grover Grover who was appointed to the Texas State Utilities Commission -- another redoubt of Norquist's power, I'm sure -- and who was invested in, and on the board of, Harkin Energy... which was Grover Norquist's W's oil company, and who gave the invocation Grover Grover Grover at the GOP convention that nominated an old family friend of his, who today is the President of the United States.

OK, so here's Grover again, messing around with another one of them thar Muslims, taking money from him and making him chairman of the Islamic Institute. In the next paragraph, this here Muslim is gonna get mixed up with raids and terrorism charges and all kinds of bad stuff, ending on the note that "this Othman guy joins the Board of a fund run by a terrorist finance wiz, who also funded Sami Al Arian."

We interrupt this program to remind our audience that we are talking here about an old Bush family friend, a man who served on the board of directors of the President's oil company, and who is now being presented to us as another one of those shady Muslim types that Grover Norquist hangs out with.

Now I didn't make any of that stuff up. You wrote it. You dragged the guy in here, you taped him to Grover Norquist, and you set the two of them next to the terrorist bombers. Only somewhere along the way you accidentally mentioned that this guy goes way back with the Bushes and probably knew Dubya before either one of them ever heard of Grover Norquist.

So once again: what is the game here, Jack? Are you accusing the President of the United States of something, or are you not? You just dragged us through the same sort of associations (old family friend, on the board, invested money in) and the same sort of links to terrorists (Mirza, Ptech, MENA, terrorist finance wiz) that you've been pounding Grover Norquist with, only this time it's all about the President.

Based on information that you brought in here, rolled up and lit or otherwise, we can fairly describe this guy as being on the board of both the President's company, and "a fund run by a terrorist finance wiz, who also funded Sami Al Arian."

That's heavy stuff. Remind me again why you're going after Grover Norquist. It seems to me that you nailed the President in exactly the same way you nailed Grover Norquist. If a guy who was once appointed to the Texas Utilities Commission is suddenly appointed the chairman of Grover's Institute, it's a reasonable question to ask which way the Muslims are flowing. So what's the deal here? Are you afraid that if you go around making these kinds of charges against Bush, that people will dismiss you as a nut? So you make them against Norquist because most people don't know who Norquist is? What good will that do? The Republic is in peril. If the President has guys who associate with Muslim terrorists in his inner circle, and he is telling people like Grover Norquist to appoint them to high positions in his Institute, then the Grover Norquist problem can be moved to the back burner for a bit. You seem to have this fixation on taking out Grover Norquist when your own data points to A Much Larger Problem.

I would like to ask this question again: Are you sure there isn't something going on here that's above your pay grade?