[Criminal Number 18F]

Moslems from the middle-east are here. Better Norquist try to move moderate ones to support the GOP than to send them packing over to the DNC

The ones that Norquist has been dealing with have not been moderate ones, and this finally explains how extreme terrorist supporters keep getting invited to the White House.

Frankly, these extreme Islamists and the Democrats both want to change our Republic radically-- they belong together, if the Democrats will have them. These "leaders" that Norquist has been sucking up aren't going to be able to speak for any Muslim that can live in America on American terms. They want a Taliban here and they are the talibs.

I wonder if Norquist thought that he could be the last one put to the sword, or something... like the Judenrat in the ghettoes...

I don't know if you have seen a citizenship swearing-in in any of the Western countries. Something interesting happens. You can swear to God, or not, as your personal conscience dictates. Many Muslims, from their garb clearly observant of law and religious, universally opt for the non-religious oath. See, they don't want to swear loyalty before God -- they have no intention of being loyal.

The only way to beat radical Islam is with moderate Islam. None of the clerics that Grover has dragged into the White House, none of the organisation leaders, is remotely moderate. A moderate Muslim can render faith to his God and allegiance to our nation. An Islamist can't and won't -- as the trail of indictments shows.

Grover is a much bigger fish than Gaffney, so he may be inclined to think that he can just clam up and weather this one. Uh-uh. I want to hear his side of the story. Until he speaks, and until I see him explicitly reject terror supporters like al-Arian, CAIR, and the AMC, then his symbol goes on the sit-map in red: "enemy."

And as for BobJ's assertion that this was mostly before 9/11... Bob, read the article. Draw a line on a piece of paper and make a tick on the left of the line for a data point before 9/11 and a tick on the right for a data point after. Then, you might come around to see that, for Grover, "jooze got some 'splaining to do!" as Ricky used to tell Lucy.

I look forward to Grover's reply, and will read with an open mind, to a point. That point is that he must cut ties with Wahhabist, Islamist, terrorist supporters.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

[Nick Danger]

this finally explains how extreme terrorist supporters keep getting invited to the White House.

What I would like explained is why people on this thread are so frigging gullible. Here comes Frank Gaffney to tell us that the White House is incompetent, that they don't do background checks on people who want to have private audiences with the President, and that Grover Norquist just grabs terrorists off the street and waltzes them right into the Oval Office unobstructed.

And people believe this crap?? Where is common sense? Where is critical thinking? This is the White House we're talking about here. Secret Service? CIA? NSA? Do these names ring a bell? You think they didn't know who these people were? That's nuts.

Sho' nuf, all these outfits that gave money to Norquist's Institute were raided by the FBI. So tell us, Frank, was that before or after they were fingered by someone -- who could it have been? -- as possible terrorist funding sources? Did the FBI even know they were there before they, um, err, donated money to, umm, er, you know, Grover Norquist?

Post hoc, ergo propter hoc. Nope, no sale. Shady Muslims approached Norquist's Institute. Shady Muslims got arrested. In what order was that happening, Mr. Gaffney? You're quick to tell people that so-and-so who knew Grover Norquist was raided and arrested, but what you don't tell people is that that was at a time when the FBI was floundering around trying to guess who the bad guys even were. Was Norquist being duped, or was Norquist smoking them out? Nobody from the Secret Service or the FBI is ever gonna say boo about that, and you know it. Which makes what you are doing just sh*tty.

I can't believe how quick people around here are to believe what is (a) an obvious hatchet-job using every sleazy trick of propaganda in the book, and (b) requires for acceptance the belief that the White House lets just anybody in to see the President... even after 9/11. We used to be better than this. We used to be able to read things with some critical eye. Now we got people here who swallow crap by the bucket and call it wine.

Think, people! What do you know about the Bush Administration? What singular characteristics mark the Bush Administration? How helpful to terrorists has the Bush Administration been? How competent is the Bush Administration? Does anything you know about the way this White House operates, or what it stands for, support one word of what Frank Gaffney is selling?

Things were done here. We may never know why. For sure Frank Gaffney does not know why.