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To: Criminal Number 18F
this finally explains how extreme terrorist supporters keep getting invited to the White House.

What I would like explained is why people on this thread are so frigging gullible. Here comes Frank Gaffney to tell us that the White House is incompetent, that they don't do background checks on people who want to have private audiences with the President, and that Grover Norquist just grabs terrorists off the street and waltzes them right into the Oval Office unobstructed.

And people believe this crap?? Where is common sense? Where is critical thinking? This is the White House we're talking about here. Secret Service? CIA? NSA? Do these names ring a bell? You think they didn't know who these people were? That's nuts.

Sho' nuf, all these outfits that gave money to Norquist's Institute were raided by the FBI. So tell us, Frank, was that before or after they were fingered by someone -- who could it have been? -- as possible terrorist funding sources? Did the FBI even know they were there before they, um, err, donated money to, umm, er, you know, Grover Norquist?

Post hoc, ergo propter hoc. Nope, no sale. Shady Muslims approached Norquist's Institute. Shady Muslims got arrested. In what order was that happening, Mr. Gaffney? You're quick to tell people that so-and-so who knew Grover Norquist was raided and arrested, but what you don't tell people is that that was at a time when the FBI was floundering around trying to guess who the bad guys even were. Was Norquist being duped, or was Norquist smoking them out? Nobody from the Secret Service or the FBI is ever gonna say boo about that, and you know it. Which makes what you are doing just sh*tty.

I can't believe how quick people around here are to believe what is (a) an obvious hatchet-job using every sleazy trick of propaganda in the book, and (b) requires for acceptance the belief that the White House lets just anybody in to see the President... even after 9/11. We used to be better than this. We used to be able to read things with some critical eye. Now we got people here who swallow crap by the bucket and call it wine.

Think, people! What do you know about the Bush Administration? What singular characteristics mark the Bush Administration? How helpful to terrorists has the Bush Administration been? How competent is the Bush Administration? Does anything you know about the way this White House operates, or what it stands for, support one word of what Frank Gaffney is selling?

Things were done here. We may never know why. For sure Frank Gaffney does not know why.


157 posted on 12/09/2003 9:32:21 PM PST by Nick Danger (With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.)
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To: Nick Danger; Bob J; Poohbah
Excellent points.

People think the President is dumb, and he surrounds himself with dumb people. That has been proven false so often that your theroy makes more sense than the other theroies I've seen posted here do. Probably makes more sense than some of mine.
160 posted on 12/09/2003 9:38:21 PM PST by hchutch ("I don't see what the big deal is, I really don't." - Major Vic Deakins, USAF (ret.))
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To: Nick Danger
Thank you for an excellent post with some COMMON SENSE in it.
161 posted on 12/09/2003 9:42:12 PM PST by Howlin (Bush has stolen two things which Democrats believe they own by right: the presidency & the future)
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To: Nick Danger
This is the White House we're talking about here. Secret Service? CIA? NSA? Do these names ring a bell? You think they didn't know who these people were? That's nuts.

Whether they did or didn't, this is nuts...

This is nuts...

This is nuts...

More nutty stuff...

ATTENDEES AT THE PRESIDENT'S White House IFTAAR DINNER

AMBASSADORS OF THE ORGANIZATION OF THE ISLAMIC CONFERENCE

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AMERICAN MUSLIM LEADERS
Mr. Khaled Saffuri, Islamic Institute
Dr. Ziad Asali, American Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee
Dr. Yahya Basha, American Muslim Council
Shaykh Hicham Muhammad Kabbani, Islamic Supreme Council of America
Dr. Sayyid Syeed, Secretary General, Islamic Society of North America
Dr. Akbar Ahmed, American University
Dr. Khaled Abou El Fadl, UCLA School of Law
Imam Hassan Qazwini, Islamic Center of America
Mr. Hanif Akhtar, Pakistani Business Association
Dr. Raana Akbar, Association Pakistani Physicians of North America
Dr. Nisar Chaudry, Pakistani American Congress
Imam W. Deen Mohammed, The Mosque Cares
Mr. Qaseem Uqdah, American Muslim Armed Forces Council
Imam Mohamed Magid Ali, All Dulles Area Muslim Society
Mrs. Seeme Hasan, Hasan Family Foundation
Mrs. Guler Koknar, Assembly of Turkish American Assoc
Dr. Shamim Ibrahim, NISWA
Dr. Azizah Al-Hibri, President, Karamah
Ms. Shareefa Alkhateeb, North American Council for Muslim Women
Mr. Ali Jawad, Armada Oil and Gas
Mr. Farooq Kathwari, Ethan Allen
Dr. Amanullah Khan, Cancer Center Associates
Dr. Laith Kubba, National Endowment for Democracy
Mr. Mohammad Fadel, National Association of Muslim Lawyers

DanielPipes.org


AMC Attends White House Briefing on Controversial INS Policy

WASHINGTON, DC, Jan. 17, 2003:
Yesterday AMC Executive Director Eric Erfan Vickers and Board Secretary Dr. Nedzib Sacirbey attended, along with other Muslim and Arab American leaders, a White House briefing on the controversial INS policy that has caused to many tremendous personal hardships, and which has created mounting consternation in the Muslim and Arab American community.

The briefing was arranged by Ali H. Tulbah, the Associate Director of Cabinet Affairs, and AMC commends him for initiating this substantive dialogue with key officials in the White House Administration.
LINK (Appears to be a broken link)
Several contemoraneous FR links


169 posted on 12/09/2003 10:11:30 PM PST by Sabertooth (Credit where it's due: saveourlicense.com prevented SB60, and the Illegal Alien CDLs... for now.)
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