[Trollstomper]

" based on evidence that they don't have to produce?"

1) This is what you asked. They do produce it.

2) Again , the reason I cited already, illegal aliens aren't American citizens, are in fact in violation of our laws, and can be summarily deported, in essence. It's not my job to teach you immigration law.

3) I would certainly HOPE we are getting something for it!!

a) First we have a larger deficit.

b) You can Thank Gaffney for Kyoto and missile defense; getting out of the former cost us nothing and getting into the latter is somewhere in the order of 1% of the Defense budget and was already largely budgetted for. so , the first two things you mention aren't part of "what we got for it"

c) Precisely what part of this 40-year record increase is paying for the ban on partial birth abortion?


d) Actually, the Taliban wasn't recognized as a state, but I'll give you a "C" for heading in the right direction

e) Bush doesn't pay, we pay. And no, not exactly. Congressional pork barrel and prescription drugs were neccesary in order to get which of the other cited putative benefits?

f) Actually if you want to get cutesy constitutional about it, Ollie almost took down the Reagan Administration by playin fast and loose with facts, not to mention a few millions worth of botched airdrops and non-functioning ammo reulting from having chose the wrong people to use as cut outs in CA; ditto the wrong people chosen for Operation Democracy stateside, who stole a good portion of the money. Figures from that that you would have no problem with Grover.

Read Maj Genral John Singlaub's biography, "Hazardous Duty" on the former matter; and in case you are too young to know, Jack Singlaub is who Ollie and his fans only wish Ollie could have been. And more conservative too boot. One of the greatest living US military heros. He also abhors what Norquist is doing, an dhas written against it. Of course that would figure too, you're thinking --and you'd be right. Yawn over to you kid.

[Bob J]

Ollie almost took down the Reagan Administration by playin fast and loose with facts..

According to your schematic, it appears you are now calling Oliver North a traitor, if you hold him to the same standard you use for Norquist.

[Pelham]

I remember General Singlaub tearing into Ollie, must have been in an Accuracy in Media newsletter. Surprised me when I first saw it, as I had been buying into the Ollie image. Singlaub is a little known hero with an incredible biography.

[hchutch]

You don't like the folks I like. That is your perogative.

As far as I am concerned, Ollie North is a good guy in my book and a far better person than many of those Senators who looked down on him. He's put his butt on the line.

Are you one of those folks who got upset about the methods Los Pepes used against Pablo Escobar?