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To: Indie
But that's what the Bush administration and Congress have asked of Americans -- to give up essential liberty for safety that's not even guaranteed. By not being fully appreciative of the fact that it's Washington, not Osama bin Laden, that represents the greatest threat to both liberty and security, we've gone along with the agenda.

Where were all these Franklin-quoting Champions of Liberty when our Second Amendment rights were (and still are) being annihilated on the altar of "public safety"?

Try undoing the long-held anti-gun attacks on our Constitutional Right to Keep and Bear Arms before griping about TIP and the Patriot Act.

2 posted on 12/08/2003 8:55:55 PM PST by Prime Choice (Leftist opinions may be free, but I still feel like I'm getting ripped off every time I receive one.)
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To: Prime Choice
I have a new idea!! Its a great idea!!

We need dual government!!

Everyone must declare whether they want to be members of the Liberal Citizens or the Conservative Centers.

Liberal Citizens will pay higher taxes and be elgible for government programs. If the Conservative local, state and national councils choose not to participate in say the local library or the local bus service their citizens won't be allowed to use them, since they aren't paying for them.

Obviously even conservatives will pay taxes for roads, police and fire services. Liberals' local council might also make their citizens pay higher taxes for the library and community centers... which conservatives won't then be allowed to use.

We could start this on the local level first to see if it works and add the states later... maybe even the federal programs afterwards!!!

whatcha think???

4 posted on 12/08/2003 9:11:59 PM PST by GeronL (My tagline for rent..... $5 per month or 550 posts/replies, whichever comes first... its a bargain!!)
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To: Prime Choice
I believe they were rooting for the War on Drugs to deny us our natural rights at the time.
9 posted on 12/08/2003 9:25:07 PM PST by thoughtomator (The U.N. is a terrorist organization)
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To: Prime Choice
Where were all these Franklin-quoting Champions of Liberty when our Second Amendment rights were (and still are) being annihilated on the altar of "public safety"?

Walter Williams specifically?

An armed citizenry and liberty

To keep and bear arms </a.

How Totalitarianism Works

Rights to Self Defense

11 posted on 12/08/2003 9:27:25 PM PST by Oztrich Boy ("Noöne has the right not to be offended" John Cleese)
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To: Prime Choice
Where were all these Franklin-quoting Champions of Liberty when our Second Amendment rights were (and still are) being annihilated on the altar of "public safety"?

"You'll know Williams is disarmed when Williams is dead." Guess who said this?

16 posted on 12/08/2003 9:47:02 PM PST by Captainpaintball
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To: Prime Choice
"...when our Second Amendment rights were (and still are) being annihilated on the altar of "public safety"?"

I couldn't agree with you more.

It is anti-liberty, it is defenseless, and it is dangerous that we allow our federal government to unconstitutionally pass and enforce laws prohibiting the private owners of airline companies from allowing their customers to bear arms on their aircraft to share and help in the defense of their property and other passengers lives from death at the hands of terrorist hijackers.

September 11, 2001 would have never happened. 3000 fellow citizens would have never died because potential hijackers would have known that 10, 30, 60 plus people would be armed on any aircraft to foil such an attempt.

The ultimate blame for the deaths and destruction of property on September 11, 2001 are the federal president's, federal congress people, federaljudges, and voters who supported such unconstitutional, anti-liberty laws now and in the past.

I do not have that blood stain on my hands.

Unconstitutionally prohibiting free, moral people, which are an overwhelming majority of U.S. citizens, from bearing arms, does nothing more than empower the few dangerous citizens among us to commit crimes against we fellow unarmed citizens,

20 posted on 12/08/2003 9:59:50 PM PST by tahiti
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