John Lennon killed on this day('Dead On This Day, Still Dead' list)

Ananova ^ | 12/8/03 | History

[Redleg Duke]

"He's dead, Jim!"

[Diddle E. Squat]

"My Sharona' is one of the more underrated pop hits.

Has a good beat, and you can dance to it...

[eleni121]

Overrated and highly derivative.

...did very little in the way of originality.

Put it this way: Little Richard and Hank Williams and Jimmy Hendrix among others will be remembered - Paul McCartney and Lennon will not.

[SerpentDove]

>>Put it this way: Little Richard and Hank Williams and Jimmy Hendrix among others will be remembered - Paul McCartney and Lennon will not.<<

Now that's amusing.

Little Richard's biggest hits, like...what, Tutti Frutti?- will eclipse the Beatles catalogue?

Yeah, okay. I'll make a note of it.

[eleni121]

Little Richard was shamelessly exploited in his day.

Even the Beatles "borrowed" and "discovered" his music and re did it.

I suggest you find out about who Richard Penniman was.

There would never have been Beatles if it weren't for the geniuses of the American R&B and gospel scene.

[SerpentDove]

>>There would never have been Beatles if it weren't for the geniuses of the American R&B and gospel scene.<<

I agree. I just don't agree that LR will be remembered long after the Beatles are forgotten.

But like I said, it's just pop music to me, and I don't mean anything hostile toward you.

:-))

Take care.

SD

[jocon307]

"Mostly via Classic Rock radio stations though."

They play some stuff, but as with so much else they don't play the best.

I've gone nuts trying to find "Diana & Hercules" or maybe the title is "A cat named Hercules" from (I think) Honky Chateau, it was kind of trumped by the slightly similar "Mona Lisa & Mad Hatters" which is also a great song, maybe even a better one, but you know, one is not the other. I never could find it on the DLs.

I'll tell you a nice story about Elton singing the revised "Candle in the Wind" at Princess Diana's funeral. Think what you like of the whole affair, but I did hear him asked about it later on MTV (or just TV, don't remember) and the interviewer said "so you re-worked the song" and Elton was quick to correct him "Actually Bernie (Taupin) did". For a lyrics loving music fan like me I thought that was a very cool thing to say, since it flew over the head of the interviewer without further question or comment. But he gave credit when due, and it was nice to know Taupin still has a hand in things.

[Jeff Chandler]

So many pop hero candidates, so few classical composers to compare them to!

LOL! I like to give a man his due, but a little perspective is in order.

[jwh_Denver]

I'm a Beatles fan, actually, but I would never compare McCartney with Mozart, especially if I didn't know what Rodgers and Hammerstein wrote.

Comparisons are a relative thing. I didn't say McCartney was better than Mozart and I know you know that. Even today Mozart lives in the music that he wrote that is still great today. Not all but some. Same with Paul. Sure he wrote some dogs**t but in the overall scheme he wrote some very beautiful songs with lyrics. Sometimes lyrics can be the hardest thing to write.

You make a good point with Rogers & Hammerstein but at the same time I think since I know so very little of their stuff how could I say they were the Mozart's of the last century? If the music was that good wouldn't I know at least some of it?

I'm not looking for anything at this point but opinions because the answer won't be answered for another couple hundreds years.

[Jeff Chandler]

I'm afraid you're allowing your enthusiasm for McCartney to cloud your judgment. Lennon and McCartney were a very talented songwriting team-the best in their genre, exerting great influence on the pop music industry, but they're not in the same league as Mozart, not even close. Mozart was a genius whose influence on music will be felt forever. A hundred years from now the Beatles will be no more than an interesting footnote.

Go to your local college, university, conservatory, etc., and ask a musicologist, and he will tell you the same.

[handk]

In the beginning of the episode that Lisa is taught by Little Vicky to become a tap dancer, Homer is at the eye doctor's office. He looks at glasses and the lady says, "This one is very popular with celebrities, such as Jim Morrison and Yoko Ono." Homer says, "Ewww, she totally ruined the Plastic Ono Band!"

[Jeff Chandler]

>>Sometimes lyrics can be the hardest thing to write. <<

If you have an appreciation for lyrics, go rent some Rodgers and Hammerstein movies. They aren't considered cool, so you have to have an open mind for music written in a more innocent age. And don't rent Oklahoma until you've seen more of their work-too sweet for a novice!

Try The Sound of Music, South Pacific, The King and I, Cinderella. Again, it ain't cool, but it's the stuff lyric writing courses refer to.

Just a few:


Some Enchanted Evening

Bali Ha'i

There Is Nothin' Like A Dame

I'm Gonna Wash That Man Right Outa My Hair

I Whistle a Happy Tune

Shall We Dance?

Getting To Know You

Hello, Young Lovers

We Kiss In A Shadow

No Other Love

I Enjoy Being A Girl

Love Look Away

The Sound of Music

My Favorite Things

Edelweiss

Do-Re-Mi

[PureSolace]

sign me up for the Tiger Beat Ping List! :) Much Love...

[handk]

I don't understand why so many love the beatles music. Yellow submarine, and other stupid songs really suck. OK Beatles fans, let me have it. Remember, I am a republician.

I've known three people in my life who either (a) hated the Beatles, (b) were indifferent, or (c) just didn't "get it". In all three cases, they were horrible people. Okay, maybe "horrible" is too harsh a word, but they were certainly vile, cretinous, vapid, humorless, disgusting, clueless, bitter, idiotic, stupid, moronic, brainwashed buttheads.

From this life experience I surmised that people who like the Beatles ARE GOOD, people who dislike the Beatles ARE BAD. It's a handy "benchmark" test. For example, you're on a first date. Over dinner, the subject of the Beatles' comes up. She says; "Oh, I think their music sucks." Ding-ding! Time to excuse yourself to the restroom, sneak out of the restaurant, and leave the bee-yatch with the dinner bill!

In short, it's empirical evidence, I tells ya!

I watched a VH1 special several months ago, I think it was "Top 100 Greatest Albums of All Time". "Sgt. Pepper" was in the #1 slot and "Rubber Soul" was #3 (as I recall).

But more to the point was the numerous interviews of other "rock stars" regarding their opinions of the Beatles shown in the VH1 special, such as Tom Petty, Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, Huey Lewis, Pat Benatar, etc. They all spoke highly of the Beatles and their music, and the extent of the influence on their music careers. I may be wrong, but I think even Kid Rock had a segment on the VH1 special expressing his kudos to the Beatles' influence.

I also remember reading an interview in Rolling Stone with Curt Cobain (Nirvana), in which he said he was heavily influenced by the Beatles. He indicated that when he was about 13 or 14 years old, he concluded that he would never be a "virtuoso" guitarist, so he decided he would be a great songwriter instead, like Lennon & McCartney. So, at that early age, he concentrated on song writing skills, rather than trying to be the next Eddie Van Halen.

Did you know that the Beatles' first demo disk was turned down by every major record production company in the world (except one)? You know what one "suit" said when he heard their demo disk? He said; "Guitar bands are on their way out." That was around 1963. (I think that guy was fired the following year, 1964).

[Jeff Chandler]

I know good people who don't like the Beatles. They were turned off by the silly hysteria, and the fact that their early stuff was pedestrian made a bad first impression.

[oyez]

"Ewww, she totally ruined the Plastic Ono Band!"

I thought by definition a band was to make music.

[Rebelbase]

Re: Kerry/Lennon photo. Great find.

[Rebelbase]

"A hundred years from now the Beatles will be no more than an interesting footnote."

Hogwash. 100 years from now Beatles Muzak will still be played inside elevators.

[Revolting cat!]

"Good people" suck!

[oyez]

They still have Muzak?