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To: John O
"With enough searching you can always find some damage that was done to these people."

With enough searching you can always find some damage that was done to every single individual on this planet. You will also find myriads of children who were molested and did not become homosexuals, destroying your theory that homosexuality is the by product of molestation, because in order for that to hold true, the reverse would have to hold true as well, and all molested children would have to become homosexuals.

But this discussion has nothing to do with the subject at hand, which is whether same sex marriages should be allowed or not, unless of course, you want to raise the argument that homosexuals should not be allowed to marry because homosexuality is a mental disorder.

Is that your point?

Or is your point that citizens who were traumatized during childhood should not be allowed to marry because they are "damaged"?

354 posted on 12/11/2003 10:29:31 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Gift Is To See The Trout.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
But this discussion has nothing to do with the subject at hand, which is whether same sex marriages should be allowed or not, unless of course, you want to raise the argument that homosexuals should not be allowed to marry because homosexuality is a mental disorder.

That is part of my point (as I stated numerous times above). Also homosexual behavior is deadly to those involved in it and those around it. The behvaior itself should not be tolerated, let alone encouraged by giving it special rights.

356 posted on 12/11/2003 11:30:28 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: Luis Gonzalez; John O
You will also find myriads of children who were molested and did not become homosexuals, destroying your theory that homosexuality is the by product of molestation, because in order for that to hold true, the reverse would have to hold true as well, and all molested children would have to become homosexuals.

That's not true, LG. You're too smart and should know better that to use such bad logic - there's so much more behind the major factors causing homosexuality. Please consider reading up on this issue. One place that I consider a good summary of the issue follows:

How Might Homosexuality Develop? Putting the Pieces Together
The above is supported by the fact that thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle. And as John O pointed out earlier, even Spitzer (who helped remove homosexuality as a mental disorder) now states homosexuals can change. Others have said the same.
357 posted on 12/11/2003 11:41:37 AM PST by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
You will also find myriads of children who were molested and did not become homosexuals, destroying your theory that homosexuality is the by product of molestation, because in order for that to hold true, the reverse would have to hold true as well, and all molested children would have to become homosexuals.

Not necessarily true. While molestation is one of the major causes of SAD I never said that it always causes SAD. Since SAD can be cured through reparative therapy and counseling, someone who is counseled immediately after the attack will probably never develop the disease.

Kids from loving homes with good trusting relationships with their parents will normally turn out healthy. The parents will be able to help the child overcome the molestation and get their head on straight again.

359 posted on 12/11/2003 12:29:47 PM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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