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To: John O
"Homosexuality" is a pattern of behavior (which BTW is indulged in only by the mentally ill)"

Bullsh%t...

"Why did you leave out able minded? are the mentally incompetent able to marry?"

I also left out blue-eyed, right-handed, red-haired...there are few if any laws restricting the mentally "challenged" from marrying. If you know of any, post them.

"Any activity that is proven to damage the general welfare can rightly be controlled or banned outright."

Now, all you have to do is convince anyone that same-sex marriage can cause damage to the "general welfare"...none of your arguments will hold up, but if you wish to go through the exercise, feel free to do so. If you are going to argue that same sex marriage will somehow "harm" the institution of marriage, and consequently negatively impact society, I'll simply respond that heterosexuals have done more to hurt marriage thus far (and I have the statistics to prove that), than people who simply want the right to marry the person of their choice.

"The fact that homosexual behavior is deadly holds up pretty strongly to the light of day."

Irresponsible sexual promiscuity is dangerous for everyone, marriage being an agreement between two people to be exclusive to one another sexually, is the logical solution to the deadly side effects of that promiscuity.

This "promote the general welfare" argument of yours is as big a pantload as anything I've ever read in here.

Homosexuality is not something that "popped up" a few years ago, and it's not going away, so it's not something that's dangerous to that "general welfare" you are so concerned with. Heterosexuals set in motion the "sexual revolution"; we swing, free-love, divorce by the tens of millions, spouse swap, cybercheat until we get the guts up to "really" cheat, fornicate, and give birth to nearly as many illegitimate babies as we kill in the name of "choice" yearly...and please, don't insult my intelligence and blame all those actions on "liberals" alone.

And you don't seem to concerned with all those actions as a danger to that "general welfare" you are so concerned with, and spend your energy trying to convince others that people who have never been allowed to marry at all, will be more responsible for marriage being destroyed, than those who truly DID destroy it!

That is simply amazingly, and monumentally hypocritical of you.

If you're truly so concerned about the general welfare of this society, why don't you spend your time trying to stop heterosexuals from destroying marriage, and killing one million fetuses a year to hide their irresponsible sexual behavior?

You want deadly consequences to irresponsible sexual behavior?

Try that on for size.

310 posted on 12/10/2003 5:26:00 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Gift Is To See The Trout.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
me->"Homosexuality" is a pattern of behavior (which BTW is indulged in only by the mentally ill)"

you-> Bullsh%t...

I have the facts on my side. read scripters database.

Now, all you have to do is convince anyone that same-sex marriage can cause damage to the "general welfare"...none of your arguments will hold up, ...

All my points have already been proven. Read scripters database.

I have no doubt that we have damaged marriage more than the perverts have. However that is not a good reason to let them damage it too. Rather than throw up our hands in defeat and let perversion rule let's defend marriage and roll back the bad law that damages it (no-fault divorce etc)

Irresponsible sexual promiscuity is dangerous for everyone, marriage being an agreement between two people to be exclusive to one another sexually, is the logical solution to the deadly side effects of that promiscuity.

Except for the fact that 'homosexual' marriage does not cure 'homosexual' promiscuity. In countries where 'h' marriage is legal the average duration of a monogamous 'h' marriage is about 2 years. Most 'h' marriages are not closed, that is, the 'spouses' frequently and routinely have sex with others outside the marriage.

'Gay' marriage is no more a cure for 'h' promiscuity than letting priests marry is a cure for molestation in the church. (and both these problems have the same common cause, the disease called homosexuality)

This "promote the general welfare" argument of yours is as big a pantload as anything I've ever read in here.

You've never read the constitution? See the cited paragraphs. It's really in there and it's a duty that congress should take more seriously.

Homosexuality is not something that "popped up" a few years ago, and it's not going away, so it's not something that's dangerous to that "general welfare" you are so concerned with.

In the 40's and 50's someone who was known as a 'homo' was shunned by polite company. He had exceedingly limited exposure to children (and thusly could not recruit) and STD's were limited due to his limited exposure. Now that 'h' is more tolerated recruiting is proceeding at a breakneck pace (fortunately anti-recruitment efforts proceed as well) and STDs are killing vast numbers of the sexually irresponsible.

If we stop them from recruiting more victims, 'h' as it is known today will go away. If we treat it as a disease (as it was before the early 70's) it will go away quicker. (of course there are some social issues that we have to correct also, getting fathers to be good fathers etc)

Heterosexuals set in motion the "sexual revolution"; we swing, free-love, divorce by the tens of millions, spouse swap, cybercheat until we get the guts up to "really" cheat, fornicate, and give birth to nearly as many illegitimate babies as we kill in the name of "choice" yearly...and please, don't insult my intelligence and blame all those actions on "liberals" alone.P> With the exception of divorce I know no one who has done any of that. But then I live in a mostly Christian small town, so speak for yourself, you cannot speak for me on this.

And you don't seem to concerned with all those actions as a danger to that "general welfare" you are so concerned with, and spend your energy trying to convince others that people who have never been allowed to marry at all, will be more responsible for marriage being destroyed, than those who truly DID destroy it!

Actually I rail against all of those with the same vitriol that I rail against other perversions. The difference is that wife swappers aren't actively trying to destroy my way of life and corrupt my children. They try to keep their adulterous perverse activities out of the public's eye, not rammed down the public's throat

If you're truly so concerned about the general welfare of this society, why don't you spend your time trying to stop heterosexuals from destroying marriage, and killing one million fetuses a year to hide their irresponsible sexual behavior?

I am a financial supporter of my local right to life and the national right to life organizations. I am actively involved in my local church reaching out to bring people into a right relationship with God which will result in stronger marriages etc. So in short I am working against the evils in our society, not laying down and letting them have their way as is the habit of some.

You want deadly consequences to irresponsible sexual behavior?

We already have deadly consequences to irresponsible behavior. Haven't you read any of the health links from Scripter's database? (Ever hear of AIDS? more correctly called GRIDS.) While these results are very sad at least those people will hopefully learn from the lesson and not repeat the damaging behavior. And hopefully they will serve as a lesson to others.

God has a way of weeding out the irresponsible ones. Read Romans 1:27 among other verses. God takes sexual immorality very seriously.

321 posted on 12/10/2003 7:05:52 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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