[CyberCowboy777]

I see it as all tied together - especially since the topic is "Imagine" where all the "bad" things are gone...Religion, God, Capitalism, etc...

The question you should really ask is - why is every great free nation in the modern world built upon basic Transcendent Moral Authority and every nation that is not has no freedom and those moving away from that foundation becoming less free, less "great".

Freedom, Justice, Capitalism and personal/societal responsibility are built upon an idea of Society balancing Liberty and Morality. The world of Imagine cannot support that balance.

[Trampled by Lambs]

The question you should really ask is - why is every great free nation in the modern world built upon basic Transcendent Moral Authority and every nation that is not has no freedom and those moving away from that foundation becoming less free, less "great".

Because those things work, for the most part. I never argued with that. This thread has really gone a long way around :). I do not see the things that John wanted us to imagine gone as bad things. But I have no trouble imagining a world where they were unneccesary.. as unrealistic as that is. But, we're "imagining", remember?

Freedom, Justice, Capitalism and personal/societal responsibility are built upon an idea of Society balancing Liberty and Morality. The world of Imagine cannot support that balance.

Agreed.