[stuartcr]

We are not all lazy and greedy, not rule #1. If I was brought up that way, then that is how I would believe, (not unlike many throughout history), and accordingly, behave (or suffer the consequences). Legal systems do not require the presence of God, look at many ancient societies.

[AmishDude]

We are not all lazy and greedy, not rule #1.

You are so wrong. We seek as much pleasure as we can while expending as little effort as possible. Even "altruism" provides emotional benefit.

Legal systems do not require the presence of God, look at many ancient societies.

Which dead civilization would you like to point to? Note that their lack of current existance proves my point.