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At the risk of provoking a huge flame war, there IS a salient point that no one ever brings to the fore.

The slaves that wound up in America originated in Africa - where they were the losers, the strategically weaker of the tribal warriors. The winners were the slave masters, whose tribes are still alive and still enslaving their inferiors in Africa. None of the winners were on the slave ships as cargo, only the defeated. Those people are the foundation of much of Black America as it is today. Not all, of course, but much of it.

There are other segments of Black society in America founded of emigres from some of the more successful tribes - and those Blacks are the ones who regularly achieve great success in business and intellectual fields, such as Dr. Walter Williams and the inestimable Thomas Sowell. But the other segments, directly descended from those tribes that were so inferior as to allow themselves to be subjugated and shipped here as chattels - those are the ones with little hope other than to once again exist as chattels of the government. They are useful as benign slugs in government jobs and reliable, mindless voters. A minor element descended from the old tribes persists in criminal pursuits without regard for consequence - a distinct remnant of the inferior intellect that was partially responsible for the tribes' original subjugation into slavery in the first place.

The tribes of old have simply morphed into classes and gangs of today. And the politically-correct atmosphere of ignoring the problem is only deepening it.

Michael

Your history is correct as far as how tribes in Africa fought one another and the losers were sold into slavery. The question to you is, "If a nation or tribe are unable to defend themselves against aggressors, do they deserve to be sold into slavery?" I think the history over there shows one side willing to sell out another. I understand that the world is dog-eat-dog, but I am not sure that I would want to celebrate the fact that I was either sold out or involved with selling others out...

And there are weak countries that do not have a strong military tradition... In some places, they simply make alliances and survive... Obviously, it works differently in different places...

But if you think about history,the Aztecs, the Spartans, the Armenians, the Kurds, the Israelis before 1948, the American Indians, the Nepalese, and any African American that you decide fits the bill... You can easily say that they deserve to be where they are... I am not sure that it is the most acceptable conclusion but that gets into Darwin, acts of Fate, acts of God, and pure old being in the right or wrong place at the right of wrong time...

What has happened has happened but I think it would be unfair to conclude that people who are not able to defend themselves against aggressors do not deserve to exist as a people in dignity.. Just my humble opinion...

Interesting point. Years ago I had a friend who was of Chinese ethnicity, born in Singapore. His reaction to the stereotype that Asians were smarter on average than the US population in general? For the ones who are in North America, it's true; but it isn't backed up by his experience in Asia. His conclusion: only the smartest or the most focused/determined made it here, so the stereotype is based upon a sample that's not representative.