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His 15 minutes of fame long gone, Elian celebrates another birthday
Seattle Post-Intelligencer ^
| 12/07/03
| Scott Holleran
Posted on 12/07/2003 3:32:47 PM PST by Holly_P
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To: MitchellC
Baloney, but not a surprise from someone who draws a moral equivalency between the American system and Castro's dictatorial hell hole.
Immorallity is to disregard familly. Immorallity (and communism) is to break the familly apart over a political issue. Just because you don't like castro or cuba doesn't mean it wasn't the right to return the boy to his father. That same decision keeps people from taking YOUR children because they don't like your politics (and I'm finding I rather disagree with your familly last politics).
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posted on
12/07/2003 4:01:32 PM PST
by
pcx99
To: Lizavetta
Actually the public was by and large in favor of having Elian returned to his father in Cuba. The author of this piece corrctly points out why this was so. Also I vaguely remember seeing Sheila Jackson Lee on TV denouncing the idea of making Elian a citizen. Evil whore.
FWIW, seeing the raid that April morning completed my transformation from an apathetic dem to a staunch conservative
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posted on
12/07/2003 4:03:41 PM PST
by
KantianBurke
(Don't Tread on Me)
To: SerpentDove
Freedom. Interesting concept. I'm sure he's enjoying lots of that now.
I'm sure he's not. But that's neither here nor there. It may be that Elian will one day lead the democratic revolution in cuba, who's to say?
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posted on
12/07/2003 4:03:45 PM PST
by
pcx99
To: pcx99
>>I'm sure he's not. But that's neither here nor there. It may be that Elian will one day lead the democratic revolution in cuba, who's to say?<<
Yeah. Prob'ly.
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posted on
12/07/2003 4:05:59 PM PST
by
SerpentDove
(www.neatophotos.com)
To: Holly_P
I'm not superstitious by nature, but sometimes I can't help but think that Providence sent us Elian Gonzales in order to give us George Bush.
To: Holly_P
should have been our first clue about Clinton..I remember at the Dem convention when the delegates cheered when he was done..
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posted on
12/07/2003 4:10:54 PM PST
by
hadaclueonce
(shoot low, they are riding sheltlands.....)
To: pcx99
How can Elian's father have parental rights when he doesn't even have human rights?
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posted on
12/07/2003 4:11:21 PM PST
by
Justa
(Politically Correct is morally wrong.)
To: pcx99
It's as if you didn't read a word I wrote. It is not the father's politics. The father has no rights. And, no, the USA was not consistent in the action. By US law, Elian had full protection to stay in this country. The law was twisted to allow his re-introduction into communism. That is shameful. And if we could really know the truth, I doubt Elian's father wanted Elian to be return. But the father's wants and desires played no part in any of this saga.
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posted on
12/07/2003 4:13:12 PM PST
by
whereasandsoforth
(tagged for migratory purposes only)
To: Justa
How can Elian's father have parental rights when he doesn't even have human rights?
He had both the second he set foot on US soil.
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posted on
12/07/2003 4:13:27 PM PST
by
pcx99
To: pcx99
There was no "disregarding" of the family. Elian had his family in Florida, who clearly wanted him. What was not clear, and could not possibly have been clear due to the nature of Castro's rule, was that Elian's family in Cuba truly thought the boy ought to be returned there. To believe what the father and aunts did and said while their family was being held hostage back in Cuba is the height of naivete.
To: Holly_P
Most Americans did not oppose granting him asylum. This article is wrong from the very start!
To: RedWhiteBlue
I believe most people bought the "with the father" hokum at the time. What is forgotten is that the father was fine with Elian staying in America until Fidel changed his mind.
To: Lizavetta
Most people believed the father "wanted" him. Fidel made Mr. Gonzalez want him. Originally Mr. Gonzalez was OK with Elian being in Miami.
To: RedWhiteBlue
Meant to note that yes indeed Elian did come back and bite the Dems in Florida. They paid dearly for that mistake, and it WAS a mistake.
Anybody care to the post the infamous photo from the raid (gun pointed at Elian and Dalrymple)?
To: pcx99
It may be that Elian will one day lead the democratic revolution in cuba, who's to say?
It may be that Elian will be so indoctrinated by Fidel that by adulthood he'll be ready to be the next undemocratic dictator in Cuba, who's to say?
To: mercy
Thank you so much for a great response to someone who clearly does not have the childs perspective in his or her best interest.
To: Holly_P
the Elian HOAX was planted on purpose and some here
I've spoken to in freepermail are familiar with why
but a start......find the "fisherman's" quote about finding the boy and then find the Coast Guard report
....trust this ole cowboy, it will floor ya
the jack booted thugs thing Elian ????? Castro wanted the boy back and Reno did it post haste
To: Holly_P
Lest we forget, on Easter Sunday, Bill Clinton, the now disgraced, impeached ex-President, sent armed goons in the dead of night to remove the terrified child from his loving family and deliver him to the merciless tyrant Castro.
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posted on
12/07/2003 4:21:16 PM PST
by
Ahban
To: whereasandsoforth
It's as if you didn't read a word I wrote. It is not the father's politics. The father has no rights. And, no, the USA was not consistent in the action. By US law, Elian had full protection to stay in this country. The law was twisted to allow his re-introduction into communism. That is shameful. And if we could really know the truth, I doubt Elian's father wanted Elian to be return. But the father's wants and desires played no part in any of this saga.
It's as if you don't understand the concept of freedom or familly. But hey we'll try again. In the case of the minor the parents have all the rights in the world. The moment he set foot on US soil he had the full force of the historical rights of parents the US has always granted. Those rights says the rights of the father are stronger than the rights of the grandparents or uncles and infinately stronger than the rights of "in-laws" and that again over the right of "bystanders" like you.
The law was never twisted save by those who wanted to disavow the rights and privilages the US has always granted to the parents of children.
As for the father, the moment he set foot on US soil he could have requested asylum for himself and his child. He didn't, and that was his decision. Maybe he was promised wealth and prestige when he returned (and Elian is treated as a national hero for propaganda reasons -- no illusions here), maybe he was told his relatives would be harmed, maybe he just liked his life in cuba. But for whatever reason he did not request the asylum which would have ended the problem once and for all.
The father's wants and desires played every single part in this "saga". The father showed up on US soil and asserted his parental rights once he did that the courts took at his word his wishes just as it would ANYONE ELSE. Had he not done that Elian would still be here.
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posted on
12/07/2003 4:21:33 PM PST
by
pcx99
To: MitchellC
There was no "disregarding" of the family. Elian had his family in Florida, who clearly wanted him. What was not clear, and could not possibly have been clear due to the nature of Castro's rule, was that Elian's family in Cuba truly thought the boy ought to be returned there. To believe what the father and aunts did and said while their family was being held hostage back in Cuba is the height of naivete.
Excuse me but are you prepared to argue that your brothers and sister's in-laws can come take your child because you're a republican and they're democrates?
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posted on
12/07/2003 4:22:58 PM PST
by
pcx99
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