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To: pcx99
It's as if you didn't read a word I wrote. It is not the father's politics. The father has no rights. And, no, the USA was not consistent in the action. By US law, Elian had full protection to stay in this country. The law was twisted to allow his re-introduction into communism. That is shameful. And if we could really know the truth, I doubt Elian's father wanted Elian to be return. But the father's wants and desires played no part in any of this saga.



28 posted on 12/07/2003 4:13:12 PM PST by whereasandsoforth (tagged for migratory purposes only)
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To: whereasandsoforth

It's as if you don't understand the concept of freedom or familly. But hey we'll try again. In the case of the minor the parents have all the rights in the world. The moment he set foot on US soil he had the full force of the historical rights of parents the US has always granted. Those rights says the rights of the father are stronger than the rights of the grandparents or uncles and infinately stronger than the rights of "in-laws" and that again over the right of "bystanders" like you.

The law was never twisted save by those who wanted to disavow the rights and privilages the US has always granted to the parents of children.

As for the father, the moment he set foot on US soil he could have requested asylum for himself and his child. He didn't, and that was his decision. Maybe he was promised wealth and prestige when he returned (and Elian is treated as a national hero for propaganda reasons -- no illusions here), maybe he was told his relatives would be harmed, maybe he just liked his life in cuba. But for whatever reason he did not request the asylum which would have ended the problem once and for all.

The father's wants and desires played every single part in this "saga". The father showed up on US soil and asserted his parental rights once he did that the courts took at his word his wishes just as it would ANYONE ELSE. Had he not done that Elian would still be here.

39 posted on 12/07/2003 4:21:33 PM PST by pcx99
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To: whereasandsoforth; pcx99
It is not the father's politics. The father has no rights. And, no, the USA was not consistent in the action. By US law, Elian had full protection to stay in this country. The law was twisted to allow his re-introduction into communism. That is shameful. And if we could really know the truth, I doubt Elian's father wanted Elian to be return. But the father's wants and desires played no part in any of this saga.

Pcx99-Are you by chance a "non custodial father"? What if Elian's mother and father were both in agreement about the run to Florida? That boy has relatives here in the US. Maybe the plan was for the mother and child to get out, then the father would try and leave when the heat was off. This is Communist Cuba; everyone wants to leave!

Elian's father simply didn't have a choice but to ask for his son. Sure the mother could have run off with the boy, unbeknownst to the father; but you have to figure how she could hide that kind of planning. His father(and any family members still over there) must have gone through hell through all of this dog and pony show.

Elian and his father are yet two more victims of Castro...and Janet Reno. This isn't exactly an example of the United States trampling on a father's rights. It's more of a human rights issue. Elian's father would always be welcome here....

76 posted on 12/07/2003 6:17:47 PM PST by TheSpottedOwl (I'd rather have dead rats in my walls, than Hillary for President.,)
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