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Goodnight, guerrillas: The attacks in Iraq smack of desperation
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette ^
| 12/7/03
| Jack Kelly
Posted on 12/07/2003 2:16:39 PM PST by bdeaner
Edited on 04/13/2004 2:35:27 AM PDT by Jim Robinson.
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The outcome of the first reported battle since the end of major combat operations in Iraq suggests victory may be closer than most Americans dare to hope.
Iraqis wearing the black garb of the Fedayeen Saddam ambushed two convoys carrying cash to banks in Samarra, a small town in the Sunni Triangle about 60 miles northwest of Baghdad. The attacks were well planned and coordinated. The attackers were brave. The attackers died like flies.
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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: fedayeensaddam; guerillas; iraq; ironhammer; jackkelly; samarra; samarraattack
Only a matter of time
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posted on
12/07/2003 2:16:39 PM PST
by
bdeaner
To: bdeaner
They're seriously outnumbered unless you count the fifth column of leftists, reporters, and other vermin giving them aid and comfort in our own streets and schools.
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posted on
12/07/2003 2:18:22 PM PST
by
Tijeras_Slim
(SSDD - Same S#it Different Democrat)
To: bdeaner
Wait ...Time magazine and the left is rooting for the insurgents...maybe they will win
3
posted on
12/07/2003 2:18:38 PM PST
by
woofie
(there will be a pop quiz on this thread Thursday ...be prepared)
To: bdeaner
I think the Liberal media will be sad to hear this
Think they are still rooting for the infidels?
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posted on
12/07/2003 2:19:47 PM PST
by
Mich0127
To: Ragtime Cowgirl
"The outcome of the first reported battle since the end of major combat operations in Iraq suggests victory may be closer than most Americans dare to hope."
"...the Fedayeen Saddam ambushed two convoys... in Samarra... The attacks were well planned and coordinated. The attackers were brave. The attackers died like flies."
"...Martin Sieff of UPI thinks it was a premature escalation based on rising confidence."
"...But because seeking a standup fight with the U.S. military is a stupid thing to do... the attacks more likely were motivated by desperation...."
To: concentric circles
This article is based on another from Stratfor. I used to subscribe to Stratfor a few years ago, but stopped after I felt they were becoming more hit and miss. I'm still concerned about the Syrians and Iranians coming over the border but I hope this article reads correctly.
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posted on
12/07/2003 2:37:49 PM PST
by
DeuceTraveler
((wedgie free for all))
To: bdeaner
Martin Sieff of UPI thinks it was a premature escalation Ooooh, I hate it when that happens.
;-)
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posted on
12/07/2003 2:51:41 PM PST
by
Siegfried
(I ain't gonna work on Bill Gates' farm no more!)
To: bdeaner
The issue is political, and the issue is in the U.S. That's how the NV prevailed in the mid-1972s, and that is how the Saddamites are trying to win now.
But in the 1970s the U.S. had a McGovernite Democratic majority in Congress--and much greater public naivete' about the nature of journalism. Back then Walter Cronkite was seriously considered the most trusted man in America. Now there are Republican majorities in Congress--and Walter Cronkite is just an acknowledged leftie commentator.
The Republican party is, ironically, now centered in the formerly solid Democrat South--which is acquiring congressional seats and electoral votes at the expense of the Democrats' base in the Northeast. And now we have FR, talk radio and the Fox News Channel to balance our political discourse.
Whether or not the Saddamites understand that, they are betting on filling an inside straight. And even though they hope to cause political problems for Bush by inflicting otherwise meaningless casualties in Iraq, the political effect of any likely success might not help their allies in America. The latter could so easily overplay their hand . . .
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posted on
12/07/2003 2:57:36 PM PST
by
conservatism_IS_compassion
(The everyday blessings of God are great--they just don't make "good copy.")
To: woofie
Actually, this is a fairly significant article. The Post-Gazette is Pittsburgh's equivalent of the
Washington Post so when they print an article with even a mildly pro-American connotation it usually means (a)we are really winning and they don't want to look like total fools cheerleading for the enemy or (b)a token article to point to as a innoculation against charges of bias.
If more articles like this appear, (a) may well be the case. However, even if their reason for printing is (b), it does mean that someone in management has told them more balance (even token balance) is needed.
To: concentric circles; bdeaner; MJY1288; Calpernia; Grampa Dave; anniegetyourgun; ...
Thanks for the heads up. Previously published as:
8 Casualty balance sheet ~ Washington Times | 12/04/03 | Jack Kelly
Very glad to be able to post it again with a new, improved title. (^:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jack Kelly, worthy (re-)ping!
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posted on
12/07/2003 3:11:02 PM PST
by
Ragtime Cowgirl
( "Our military is full of the finest people on the face of the earth." ~ Pres. Bush, Baghdad)
To: bdeaner
"In addition, the guerrillas understand that their resources are limited and that attrition, over time, plays against them."
Not only attrition from masulties but attrition from men just getting tired and disillusioned and simply walking away. Pretty much like it happened in Germany after WWII.
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posted on
12/07/2003 3:22:14 PM PST
by
Blood of Tyrants
(Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
To: bdeaner
John Kerry voted in favor of the war resolution, now foulmouths Bush for 'botching' Iraq, and will probably be all in favor of Iraqization come Spring.
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posted on
12/07/2003 3:24:45 PM PST
by
JoeSchem
To: bdeaner
because seeking a standup fight with the U.S. military is a stupid thing to do, Stratfor, a private intelligence service, thinks the attacks more likely were motivated by desperation.
Haven't read the original Stratfor report, but this conclusion is nonsense. "Stupid" is a relative term when dealing with Islamakazis. It may be "stupid" from a western military perspective, but they are intelligently following the Islamakazi system. Success is killing the enemy even if it means dying in battle. If hopelessly outgunned they'll surrender, but only to fight another day. It's The Islamakzi WayTM
If this attack was by mujhadeen/jihadi irregulars, they are as motivated by the presence of American targets as anything else. The presence of cash, reporters, local supporters, and some larger strategic issues, like influencing American media reports (give me a break) would just be icing on the cake. Most of them believe that firing from a crouched or prone position is unmanly. And I've seen multiple commentaries that 90%+ of the munitions they fire in a firefight aren't even aimed -- it's the primitive equivalent of carpet bombing.
The mistake they made here was their assumption that a large number of their ilk in an ambush guaranteed them some Islamakazi success (killing Americans). If they had, then the op would have been a "success". They didn't so it was a failure. They'll rethink their approach. Because firefights aren't "successful", they'll continue with standoff attacks or they'll try entrapment (e.g., US convoys in narrow streets with landmines).
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posted on
12/07/2003 3:30:00 PM PST
by
polemikos
(This Space for Rant)
To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Goodnight, guerrillas: The attacks in Iraq smack of desperation ~ Bump~
Just like the attacks on GWB by the pro-terrorist democrats and their lackeys in the media!
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posted on
12/07/2003 3:33:38 PM PST
by
blackie
To: woofie
The article from Time is a disgrace...They have been following these idiots but never thought to inform US Forces about what the had learned, who's side are they on?
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posted on
12/07/2003 4:04:57 PM PST
by
boxerblues
(If you can read this.. Thank a Teacher..If you can read this in English ..Thank a US Soldier)
To: Ragtime Cowgirl
"The larger the guerrilla formation involved, the higher the intensity of fighting, and the longer the engagement, the better for the United States," Stratfor said. "If the guerrillas believe they must up the ante now, the guerrillas are in trouble." And as Hillary and Howard Dean throw their (considerable) weight behind the terrorists, all the bad guys go down.
Boo hoo hoo.
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posted on
12/07/2003 5:13:46 PM PST
by
PhilDragoo
(Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Bump!
To: Ragtime Cowgirl
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posted on
12/07/2003 9:52:10 PM PST
by
Ernest_at_the_Beach
(Davis is now out of Arnoold's Office , Bout Time!!!!)
To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Bump!
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