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Gephardt says he opposed Bush's involvement in Schiavo matter
Bradenton.com ^ | Dec. 06, 2003 | Associated Press

Posted on 12/06/2003 4:45:26 PM PST by wisconsinconservative

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To: msmagoo
I guess this dodo believes running for President has nothing to do with protecting 'Life, Liberty and Happiness.'

I think it's more basic than that. This dodo believes running for President means he has to have an opinion on everything -- that might apply to anybody, at anytime.

Bush revealed his intelligence (and management style) during the primaries -- when he refused to take a position on the South Carolina state flag dispute. He noted that his opinion counted for nothing, as it was a state matter and the people of South Carolina were the only ones that had a say in the decision.

Gephardt, like most politicians, especially Democrat ones, believes that everything you do -- and how, when or whether you do it -- is the federal government's business.

Arrogant micro-managing cattle ticks.

21 posted on 12/06/2003 6:34:01 PM PST by okie01 (www.ArmorforCongress.com...because Congress isn't for the morally halt and the mentally lame.)
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To: Arpege92
Richard A. Gephardt is a day late and a dollar short -- Dr. Howard Dean has already endorsed the killing of poor Terri Schiavo.
22 posted on 12/06/2003 6:39:16 PM PST by Theodore R.
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To: Paleo Conservative
MO's popular Richard A. Gephardt is no longer the minority leader. That role is exerted by Mrs. Pelosi of San Francisco, a Baltimore native known for her ultraliberal views. Gephardt, who calls himself the son of a milkman, vacated the leadership post to run for president. As I understand it, the senior Mr. Gephardt was a Republican in St. Louis, but Dickie doesn't advertise that fact, just the fact that he was a milkman for a year or two. Now we know that Gephardt would like to see Terri die. Leaving it to the courts means that Terri would have already died. Who is Gephardt fooling? Maybe the St. Louis area voters!
23 posted on 12/06/2003 6:42:07 PM PST by Theodore R.
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To: wisconsinconservative
Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman, one of Gephardt's rivals for the party's presidential nomination, has said he agrees with Bush's decision, saying government must "honor life."

God bless Lieberman for saying that he agrees with JEB! I wish he also felt that 'government must 'honor life' (of the unborn.)

24 posted on 12/06/2003 7:23:39 PM PST by JulieRNR21 (One good term deserves another! Take W-04....Across America!)
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To: EGPWS
Terri Schiavo, 40, has been in a persistent vegetative state for 13 years after collapsing from a chemical imbalance. Approaching the record that Dick Gephardt still holds to this day.

This is the fallacy some small children have. They think that someday they will catch up and be older than their older brother. Never happen.

Gephardt will always have the lead for length of time in a persistent vegetative state. To beat his record you would have to turn to someone older, like Janet Reno or Helen Thomas.

Finally, apologies to Terri Schiavo, who is NOT in a persistent vegetative state and, unlike Gephardt, might yet recover if she received proper medical attention.

25 posted on 12/06/2003 7:33:01 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero
Jeb, his lawyers, key senators, Bob Marshall and others (as my
witness) were e-mailed the following:

All,

Guardian Ad Litem Jay Wolfson is now on record (see below) anent
being aprised that Terri Schindler Schiavo is being denied her
retained rights to rehabilitation and being brought to full capacity
at the soonest possible time - something which he failed to address
in his report. Wolfson's bias to see Terri dead readily shows from
his report and readily shows from the conversation below. Since when
does getting rehabilitation for a certain period of time (if his
assertion is true) preclude the retained rights under law regarding
rehabilitation? There is no time limit in the laws in regards
to rehabilitation as it is a retained right. It doesn't stop after
the asserted (supposed) time period of 4 years. Contrary to what
Michael Schiavo's attorney George Felos asserts: that every day that
Terri's feeding tube is not removed is a violation of her rights, my
contention is that every day that goes by that Terri does not
receive rehabilitation and attempts are not made to bring her back
to full capacity at the soonest possible time are violations of her
rights (retained rights of the disabled) under State of Florida
laws. One individual I am in contact with states that it took 3
years to bring her daughter to the point of being able to pass a
swallow test, 3 years of rehabilitations, therapies, etc. just for
this purpose. Terri should not be made to perform at the snap of the
fingers, etc. She should not be tested and judged thereby without
the rehabilitations, therapies that would lead up to being tested.
In regards to responsiveness I would also assert that if Terri is
highly medicated that may be a factor in regards to responsiveness
as well. I cannot stress enough the importance of the fact that
Terri is being denied rehabilitation and being brought to full
capacity. This all leads to purposeful neglect (another violation
under State of Florida laws). When are our elected officials going
to do right by Terri? Where is the DCF? All I can say is that an
accounting is being made, officials are being aprised, and the
failure to act is being duly noted. It is not enough that Terri is
getting hydration and nutrition. Please let us know what is being
done to get Terri the urgently needed, regular and meaningful
rehabilitations, etc.

Regards and thanks in your helping of Terri,

Juan Schoch
Concerned Florida Resident
United States Citizen
http://bellsouthpwp.net/p/c/pc93/terri_schindler_life_ribbon_campaign
.htm

P.S. I am cc'ing others to be as my witness.

___

Thought you might be interested in reading this. My contact with
Wolfson sometime before 11:46:51 AM 12/4/03:

aaos93: Don't you think it would be smart not to start out with
negative premises in regards to Terri's condition. That is not the
way to help someone get rehabilitation that they are unlawfully
being denied.

aaos93: It can take up to 3 years of therapy for someone to even
pass a swallow test.

aaos93: There are many TBI people who have experience in these
matters in regards to their own and their loved ones experiences.

aaos93: A rebuttal will be prepared of your report and be made
global.

aaos93: Terri is being denied retained rights for 10 years yet you
fail to mention violation of these rights. Officials will be made
accountable and you are acting in an offical capacity.

aaos93: Are you listening?

aaos93: This is Juan Schoch. Sorry I didn't introduce myself
earlier.

Hlthlawyer: sorry -- i did not know who was sending messages
aaos93: Oops.

Hlthlawyer: i am whelmed with e mails and phone calls as you might
imagine

aaos93: Yes. I can appreciate that.

aaos93: I am just getting a little fed up with the whitewash that is
going on here.

aaos93: There are laws being broken as we speak.

aaos93: Denial of retained rights are felonies.

Hlthlawyer: i appreciate your position, and this was not, as you
must know, a casual process for me

aaos93: I know. I am glad you are taking it seriously. But I do make
some good points.

aaos93: And others.

aaos93: Terri needs to be with those who love her. That is the only
way someone can progress.

aaos93: One cannot leave out that factor.

Hlthlawyer: yes you do. and i have worked closely with the
disability community and attorneys and physicians and ethicists on
many sides of this matter -- and worked as well, very, very closely
with Theresa -- and with the medical records -- many of which nobody
outside has ever seen

aaos93: But you stipulated that she has no consciousness.

Hlthlawyer: there are profound philosophical issues that divide the
parties. but the record of the dispute focuses on swallowing and
neuro function

aaos93: And those functions can take years to gain back.

aaos93: She has 10 years coming and the rest of her life for
rehabilitation under her retained rights as a disabled person.

Hlthlawyer: that is the medical information that meets what i
believe to have been the highest standard of scientific medical
measurment.

Hlthlawyer: again, most people on the outside have not seen terri or
her records

Hlthlawyer: it is not fair to her to impose others expectations on
her

aaos93: I was typing up Science and Sanity of Alfred Korzybski when
I became aware of Terri's plight and even I can see that there are
massive injustices occurring to Terri.

aaos93: Semantically speaking people are playing games.

aaos93: They need to be concerned about Terri and not themselves.

Hlthlawyer: things look different from the outside than from the
inside, would you agree?

aaos93: Michael has no standing.

Hlthlawyer: michael has legal standing

aaos93: Define your terms.

Hlthlawyer: which?

aaos93: 'outside'

aaos93: That things look different from the outside, etc.

aaos93: In terms of the unspeakable level we all have that in
common.

aaos93: Terri has inherent rights.

aaos93: It doesn't matter if she can swallow or not.. She still has
retained rights.

Hlthlawyer: those who are not familiar with the facts in the case --
the actual facts, the medical records, terri personally -- it is
like a neighbor passing judgment on what she thinks is happening in
your house

Hlthlawyer: it is difficult to see from the outside things that
occur on
the inside in real time and real life

aaos93: And those rights have been denied for 10 years in regards to
rehabilitation and being brought to full capacity withiin the
soonest possible time.

Hlthlawyer: it is diffucult as well, i agree, to see sometimes from
the inside because of bias and hope and belief. that is not true.
she received four years of aggressive rehab --very aggressive rehab

aaos93: She has 10 years of real time rehabilitation coming to her
and more as her retained rights. What are not people getting under
Florida Laws?

aaos93: 10 years of denied rehab. What is not registering?

Hlthlawyer: i agree with you -- this is a difficult and challenging
case. but i return again to the possiblility that you are not aware
of the facts and the details -- that creates more of what you might
hope and want -- rather than what may be -

aaos93: I am.

aaos93: I know.

Hlthlawyer: we all, each of us come to the table with what we know
and what we believe

Hlthlawyer: that makes us wonderfully human

Hlthlawyer: and flawed, which is part of being human

Hlthlawyer: michael and the shindlers, you and i are all human

Hlthlawyer: we are flawed

aaos93: Yes. But misjudgement on the part of individuals with their
own agendas has gotten in the way and the scales of the balance will
be righted.

Hlthlawyer: this has been argued, i could suggest, on both sides

aaos93: And those who have not been for Terri under the laws will be
prosecuted.

aaos93: As there is an attempt of murder on her life.

Hlthlawyer: i appreciate your position. but i must return to my
work -- i wish you the best. thank you for your thoughts.
26 posted on 12/06/2003 7:41:16 PM PST by pc93 (Please visit http://bellsouthpwp.net/p/c/pc93/terri_schindler_life_ribbon_campaign.htm)
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To: Cicero
Join the Terri Schindler Life Ribbon Campaign

Terri Schindler Life Ribbon Campaign


27 posted on 12/06/2003 7:42:25 PM PST by pc93 (Please visit http://bellsouthpwp.net/p/c/pc93/terri_schindler_life_ribbon_campaign.htm)
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To: sweetliberty
and the rest of yall

Look what I found. Now we know lol

Richard A. Gephardt is a day late and a dollar short

28 posted on 12/06/2003 7:43:46 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: CindyDawg
LOL!
29 posted on 12/06/2003 7:45:11 PM PST by sweetliberty (Better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.)
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To: pc93
Hmmm, interesting conversation with Jay Wolfson. In response to your concerns about the denial of rehab, and her "retained rights" he responded: "but the record of the dispute focuses on swallowing and neuro function."

30 posted on 12/06/2003 8:22:25 PM PST by msmagoo
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To: MinuteGal
"By election time, most of them will have un-extractable feet in their mouths, they will have turned off too many voters, and they will have eaten each other up like the gingham dog and the calico cat (who side by side on the mantel sat)."

That just shows there's bright side to almost anything. :)
31 posted on 12/06/2003 10:39:20 PM PST by Wampus SC
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To: Theodore R.
"Richard A. Gephardt is a day late and a dollar short"

That's Gephardt? WHOA!!!!
32 posted on 12/06/2003 10:42:19 PM PST by Wampus SC
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To: optimistically_conservative
Hey Dickie, you ok with the interpretation of 2000 Florida election law "being left to the courts"?

Fantastic point... ooooooh, that's gotta sting!

33 posted on 12/07/2003 7:10:55 PM PST by Future Useless Eater (Freedom_Loving_Engineer)
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