WE have five political parties, not two

self | Sat. Dec. 6, 2003 | Capt. Tom

[Capt. Tom]

I believe we have 5 important political groups involved in today’s Presidential politics and not just the two usual suspects called the Democrats and Republicans.

These 5 major groups are Democrats, Bushies, Republicans, Socialists and Clintonistas.

You can only get to the Presidency through the Republican and Democrat parties and no other way. The other 3 parties the Socialists, Clintonistas and Bushies have infiltrated these two established parties to get elected. They have obviously been successful in doing this.

If you intend to rise to the Presidency there are only two ladders. The Democrat ladder and the Republican ladder. So if you are neither a democrat nor republican and have a different agenda you have to pass yourself off as one or the other. This is a very common practice in the House and Senate. Trying the Ross Perot approach of building your own ladder to the Presidency is expensive and futile. You have to use an established national machine, and there are only two.

Let’s look at the so-called Democrats, and Socialists first. The Socialists started to infiltrate and take over the Democrat party in the mid 1960s, and today the so-called Democrat party is the Socialist party. The Democrat party today is not the party of John Breau, Zell Miller or Harry Truman. This Democrat party is for communists, socialists, America haters and sexual deviants. People who could never get elected without a 'D' or 'R' after their name. This is the party of Michael Moore, Barney Frank and Barbara Streisand. And unfortunately it still has the confused remnants of the Democrat party; many of who are good hard working Americans who love this country, who would defend it with their lives and want it to be successful. They don’t seem to realize their party has been hi-jacked by the Socialists. The option of voting Republican for many democrats is too revolting to consider. It takes a long time to get the message.

The Republican Party in my opinion is correctly stereotyped as ignoring labor and being pro big business. (You don’t get a job from a poor person) Some of the right wing Democrats (like me) have left the anti- American socialists, and now vote Republican because the Republicans are perceived as being pro- American, and pro family. The same values many democrats hold. It’s a hard thing to do: to vote for the “lesser of two evils” or as some say “the evil of two lessers.” And besides there is no longer a democrat party.

If only the Republicans weren’t so stupid and politically inept, and would stand up to the Socialists who are ruining our country. The good news for the gutless inept Republicans is the Clinton haters, the pro Bushies and ex-democrats (like myself) have been united against the Socialists and Clintonistas because of their anti- Americanism and shenanigans. The Republicans are presently in charge of the House, Senate and Governorships - no thanks to the political acumen of the Republicans. The Bushies have the Presidency.

The Bushies didn’t repeat Ross Perots very expensive mistake. They used the Republican Party ladder to get to the top. Actually fooling Republicans isn’t very difficult.

The Bushies push their agenda, which leaves the Republicans confused. For example: Some Republicans are totally bewildered by Bush’s not securing our border with Mexico, and allowing thousands of illegals to cross every day. And the President making stupid statements like “Islam is a religion of peace” or ‘’we worship the same God.’’ A major example is the Bushies incredible socialistic Medicare spending bill just passed, that robs the young to pay for the olds medical bills. Well if you think the Bushies are Republicans you are bound to be confused.

The last politically important group is the Clintonistas. They came up the Democrat (socialist) ladder, and hi-jacked the party at the Presidential level. The Clintonistas will do anything to stay in power. They bewilder the socialists (Democrats) by signing welfare reform bills and being pro death penalty. Then amazingly they use the Socialist party apparatus to stay in power. I.e. Terry McAuliffe.

The Clintonistas stay on the presidential political stage to the detriment of the socialist candidates; who can’t get any attention, and are now described as the 9 dwarfs.

Its one thing to battle your own party candidates for the nomination; it is quite another to also have to battle the influence of the Clintonistas who have infiltrated your party and rose to the top level-and seem to want to stay there. Howard Dean, if he gets the socialist nomination might dent the control the Clintonistas have at the DNC.

The Bushies defend this country and kill our enemies. They don't kow tow to the UN. That’s good.

So in this presidential election cycle of 2004, it’s the Bushies vs. the Socialists with the Democrats,Republicans and Clintonistas looking on.

I hope the Bushies get re-elected in 2004. If they do I hope they can field a candidate like Jeb Bush, Condolezza Rice etc for 2008. If the Bushies are out of the picture I am afraid in 2008 it will be the politically inept Republicans vs. the Clintonistas. And we know how that works out.

Meanwhile, if only we can get the Bushies to secure our border with Mexico, stop outspending the Socialists on domestic programs, and stop making asinine religious statements; then the Bushies would be a political party both democrats and republicans could support. The remaining active parties the Socialists and Clintonistas would die on the vine. - - Tom

[Lunatic Fringe]

The libertarian party won 25 elections in 2003, although in small local elections.

Remember, the Republicans were once a third party in politics.

[Moonman62]

The Bushies are the Republican Party. It was Reagan who was the outsider.

[Squantos]

http://www.constitutionparty.com/

[Moonman62]

While you are correct in your characterization of the Medicare bill, it was the votes of REPUBLICANS that passed it.

I've read and heard about a lot arm twisting that Bush did to get enough Republicans to vote for it.

[xdem]

I realized that they are too stoned to vote, so they aren't much of a political force.

Do you personally know even a single libertarian who abuses drugs? I thought not.

Frauds and con men, like you "Bushies" are, regularly hate those who call them to account.

[mhking]

If Bill 'n Opus had won, there wouldn't be any arguement...

Just damn.

If you want on the new list, FReepmail me. This IS a high-volume PING list...

[TheAngryClam]

Michael Moore is a registered member, and promoter, of the Green Party, chief.

[boris]

From "Weird Politics" in High Weirdness by Mail, p. 156-7, (c)1988, by Ivan Stang.

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There are three kinds of people -- I call them Larrys, Curlys, and Moes. The Larrys don't even know that there are three types; if they're told, it's an abstraction, because they cannot imagine anything beyond Larry-ness. The Curlys know about it, and recognize the pecking order, but find ways of living with it cheerfully...for they are the imaginative, creative ones. The Moes not only know about it, but exploit and perpetuate it.

The naive, pleasant believers of all kinds are Larrys -- ineffectual, well-meaning do-gooders destined always to be victims, often without once guessing their status. Like sheep, they don't want to hear the unpleasant legends about "the slaughterhouse"; they trust the strange two-legged beings who feed them. The artists, unsung scientific geniuses, political writers, and earnest disciples of the stranger cults are Curlys -- engaging, original, accident-prone but full of life, intuitively aware of the Moe forces plotting against them and trying to fight back. They can never defeat the Moes, however, without BECOMING Moes, which is impossible for a true Curly.

The Moes, then, are the fanatics, the ranters, the cult gurus, the Uri Gellers AND the Debunkers; they are the Resistance Leaders and the Ruling Class Bankers. They hate each other, but only because they want to control ALL the Larrys and Curlys themselves. They don't actually enjoy their dominance; it's simply part of their nature. Nor are they less foolish for the fact that they make the decisions. They suffer a chronic paranoia that is unknown to their less demanding underlings. Larrys and Curlys die in wars started by rival Moes -- the Larrys willingly, the Curlys with great regret. Concepts like "Hell" and "Sin" were invented by Moes to keep Larrys in line; the Larrys in turn, being far more numerous, exert social pressures on the Curly minority to also obey...mainly so the Larrys won't feel like suckers.

The Moes also invent myths, like that of the "Grouchos, Harpos, Chicos, and Zeppos," to throw the more rebellious Curlys off their trail and keep them unsure of the real situations. [When the Curly's finally die of overwork, the Moes find that they cannot live in an all-Larry world; they select special Larry's and vainly try to mold them into False Curlys...but it isn't the same.]

I am a Moe, though not a particularly powerful one; that is why I know these things, and it is also why I dare to tell you -- for most of you will think it's just a funny joke. A few will know it is the truth, but will fight far harder against my Moe enemies than you will against me, a relatively harmless Moe. My fellow Moes -- enemies and uneasy SubGenius allies alike -- will know what I'm REALLY saying, and chuckle in appreciation while plotting my downfall. In vain. ALL in VAIN, boy.

[xrp]

I was wondering why he left out the libertarians, but then I realized that they are too stoned to vote, so they aren't much of a political force.

Hur hur! And the reason the Republicans don't get too much of a turnout on voting day is because they're too busy kicking in the doors of non-violent drug offenders, ransacking their house and even executing them on the spot!

[DannyTN]

"Do you personally know even a single libertarian who abuses drugs? I thought not."

I don't personally know any libertarians. Thus all of the libertarians I know abuse drugs. LOL

• It's just that the most vocal libertarian freepers are the ones who want to sit on their pack porch and smoke weed.
• The next most vocal libertarians are the ones who think that all taxes are theft and that no legitimate governmental functions exist.
• They are followed closely by the ones who think that all taxes are theft and that there are some ligitimate governmental functions but how government funds those functions is not their problem just don't tax them!

I'm sure there must be some less extreme libertarians somewhere that I've badly impuned and I apologize to both of them.

[Capt. Tom]

Michael Moore is a registered member, and promoter, of the Green Party, chief.

As Bill Clinton would say "it all depends on the meaning of who Michael Moore is."

Michael Moore
Member of Parliament
Party: Liberal Democrat
Lib Dem deputy foreign affairs spokesman
Constituency: Tweeddale, Ettrick and Lauderdale

[TheAngryClam]

The British Liberal Democrats are their version of the Green Party. They're even allied with some of the continental Greens.

[Tribune7]

It was the social conservatives who are the only ones putting up a fight against government expansion. You can't get any more socially conservative than Dick Armey or Ron Paul.

If a politician says he or she is "fiscally conservative but socially liberal" you can almost bet the farm he or she is lying about the fiscally conservative part. Consider Arlen Specter, Olympia Snowe, Christie Todd Whitman, Susan Collins etc

[Servant of the 9]

If a politician says he or she is "fiscally conservative but socially liberal" you can almost bet the farm he or she is lying about the fiscally conservative part.

If a politician is really "fiscally conservative but socially liberal" then he is a Libertarian, like Ron Paul.

So9

[Tribune7]

If a politician is really "fiscally conservative but socially liberal" then he is a Libertarian, like Ron Paul.

Ron Paul is pro life, big time.

[StriperSniper]

Alan Caruba (Boring Party-New Jersey)

He writes some interesting stuff: Alan Caruba Commentaries

[StriperSniper]

That is not necessarily an inconsistency, there are many pro-life libertarians. After all, there is no liberty without life. It all depends on when the individual believes life begins.

[Tribune7]

That is not necessarily an inconsistency, there are many pro-life libertarians.

I don't think it is either. There is nothing wrong with libertarians.

[Richard Kimball]

You lose me when you talk about Perot's mistake. Perot was paid off by the Clintons to split the Bush vote. If you'll go back and look, Perot dropped out of the race the week of the rat convention, and got back in when Clinton started dropping in the polls. Perot never wanted to be President.

[StriperSniper]

Sorry, I misinterpreted your comment.

Too many don't really understand what libertarianism is all about and think it is just a bunch of cheap-@$$ dope smokers. ;-)