CA Legislature Fails to Agree on Governor Schwarzenegger's Fiscal Proposals (more detail on votes)

LA Times ^ | Dec. 6, 2003 | Nancy Vogel, Gregg Jones and Evan Halper

[FairOpinion]

Shortly before 8 p.m., the governor's proposal to borrow $15 billion was defeated in a Senate floor vote. The plan got only five votes, all from Democrats; all but one of the 15 Republicans abstained because of a lack of support for the governor's spending cap. There were 14 votes against the governor's proposal: those of 13 Democrats and Sen. Tom McClintock (R-Thousand Oaks).

The Democratic counterproposal also failed, receiving 23 Democratic votes — four short of the 27 required for two-thirds approval. McClintock voted against it, and the other Republicans abstained. Later, Senate Republicans changed their votes to send the governor's spending limit to a 34-0 defeat, accompanied by a vow that they would put an even tougher cap on the November ballot.

As the potential for a Schwarzenegger setback loomed, Brulte reacted with irritation to questions about whether the governor should be at the rally in Tracy. "The governor should be doing exactly what he is doing," he said. "Let me tell you what is wrong with places like this.

"What is wrong is having the Democratic speaker of the Assembly tell the governor of California there is no need for us to get together the next couple of days — let me meet with colleagues," he said. "And then go on TV Wednesday and criticize the governor for not getting together with him. That is what is wrong with this place: saying one thing privately and doing something else publicly."

[FairOpinion]

Politics...

So the Republicans abstained, and the Dems and McClintock voted AGAINST Arnold's proposal.

[Wheee The People]

Who was it that said McClintock is the new SoreLoserman?

[jmc813]

Who was it that said McClintock is the new SoreLoserman?

Hate to tell ya, it's th Arnold folks who've been looking like sore losers the past 24 hours.

[FairOpinion]

When Republicans undermine their own Republican governor, what do you expect?

[NormsRevenge]

Define "Republican" these days. Thanks.

[giotto]

I don't know...If I were McClintock, I might wonder how I wound up siding with Democrats.

[jmc813]

I don't know...If I were McClintock, I might wonder how I wound up siding with Democrats.

The Dems are right sometimes, albeit for the wrong reasons. The recent Medicare bill is a perfect example.

[ridesthemiles]

Politics...
So the Republicans abstained, and the Dems and McClintock voted AGAINST Arnold's proposal.

Won't really matter- only voters can approve this kind of bond issuance. The only difference is when- March 2004 or November 2004.
IMO, this mught just be wonderful. Now Arnold has lots of ammo to lay off, close down, cut back, and closely review each and every position, commission and it's members, ETC. It might be just exactly what will help Calif the most. Costs have to be cut, IMO, not just more bond floats.

[freeangel]

Like someones tag line says, "socialism works just fine until you run out of someone elses money."

[FairOpinion]

"Do you feel the same way about Republican members of Congress who opposed the Medicare bill for conservative reasons?"

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YES!

Frankly I am getting pretty tired of the "all of nothing" crowd -- because their attitude usually gets us NOTHING, and gets the Democrats everything.

[FirstPrinciple]

Hey go back to DU. I have been monitoring you for a while. You talk like a Democrat most of the time supporting big govt programs. You would be more comfortable at DU.

[jmc813]

Frankly I am getting pretty tired of the "all of nothing" crowd -- because their attitude usually gets us NOTHING, and gets the Democrats everything.

Would you please explain how a Deomcratic version of the Medicare bill would have pased two Republican houses of Congress and a Republican President?

[William Tell]

ridesthemiles said: "It [failure to get the 15 billion bond on the March ballot] might be just exactly what will help Calif the most. "

If I ever become convinced that this is the outcome that Arnold wanted, I will be impressed. I agree that only a lack of cash will bring about cuts in Kalifornia.

[Quicksilver]

I'm not familiar with California legislature procedures. Is there some sort of strategery by abstaining versus voting for, or against? Maybe the Republicans are simply sitting on the sidelines and letting the Democrats and the Governator battle it out?

[FairOpinion]

"Deomcratic version of the Medicare bill "

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I wasn't talking about the Dem version -- I didn't think that was what you were talking about.

I thought you were talking about the Republican version, which did pass, with some R-s voting against it.

[FairOpinion]

Like someones tag line says, "socialism works just fine until you run out of someone elses money."

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BINGO!!!