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There They Go Again
New York Times ^ | December 6, 2003 | NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF

Posted on 12/06/2003 8:44:29 AM PST by OESY

Watching presidential politics lately, I've been thinking back to when I was 13 years old and had my heart broken for the first time.

It was 1972, and I was antiwar and infatuated with Senator George McGovern. But as I handed out McGovern leaflets in Yamhill County, Ore., I was greeted as if I were the Antichrist. Soon afterward, Mr. McGovern was defeated in a landslide.

As Howard Dean will probably be, if the Democrats nominate him.

It is, of course, the Democrats' privilege to stand on principle, embrace the man they admire most and leap off a cliff together. Political parties have a hoary tradition of committing principled suicide, as the G.O.P. did with Barry Goldwater in 1964 and, most masochistically, the Democrats did three times with William Jennings Bryan from 1896 to 1908.

Yet my guess is that the Democratic faithful are being not so much high-minded as muddle-headed. Many Democrats so despise President Bush that they don't appreciate what a strong candidate he will be in November, and they don't grasp how poorly Mr. Dean is likely to fare in battleground states.

Mr. Bush beat Mr. Dean, 52 percent to 41 percent, in a recent Pew poll. Meanwhile, the economy appears to be strengthening in time for the election. Of the 51 economic forecasters surveyed by Blue Chip Economic Indicators, all but one expect the economy to grow more rapidly in 2004 than it has in the last 33 months.

Against the Bush juggernaut, Mr. Dean faces three disadvantages.

First, geography. The only Democrats who have won the popular presidential vote since John Kennedy took office (when the Southern boom started) have all been Southerners: Lyndon Johnson, Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton and Al Gore. Swing states are mostly in the South and Midwest, so the key for both parties is to find a candidate who can seduce "Reagan Democrats," like Ohio steelworkers and Tennessee tobacco farmers. Not another Michael Dukakis.

Second, style. Angry bluster rouses the party faithful, but it frightens centrists. The last two presidents who were fervently hated, Richard Nixon and Mr. Clinton, both won two terms; today's liberal disgust could do the same for Mr. Bush by leading to a nominee like Mr. Dean, who warms the hearts of the party's core but leaves others cold. Furious liberals already bear some responsibility for the situation because enough of them voted for Ralph Nader in 2000 to sink Al Gore.

Moreover, Mr. Dean is smart, but he knows it. America's heartland oozes suspicion of Eastern elitists, and Mr. Dean's cockiness would exacerbate that suspicion. President Clinton oozed charm and was fluent in Southern ("even a blind hog can find an acorn," he'd say scornfully), while Mr. Dean needs a Berlitz course in self-deprecating folksiness.

Mr. Dean's recent remarks about Southern men and Confederate flags showed both his awareness of this problem and his ineptitude in addressing it. He also described the episode as a "huge contretemps," and I seriously doubt that anybody who publicly uses the word "contretemps" can ever be elected president.

You get the feeling that if Mr. Dean and Mr. Bush were stuck together in a small Missouri town, Mr. Dean would lecture farmers about Thomas Paine's writings, while Mr. Bush would have the cafe crowd in stitches by doing impersonations of Mr. Dean.

The third problem is biography. Mr. Dean may be the one Democrat who is even more blue-blooded than Mr. Bush and who has an even lamer excuse for dodging Vietnam. Mr. Dean grew up on Park Avenue in an old aristocratic family, and after getting his medical deferment from the draft, he moved to Aspen to ski. Unlike other politicians, Mr. Dean doesn't even pretend to be particularly religious, and that's a major political weakness in the battleground states.

Don't get me wrong. I agree with Mr. Dean on many issues, and I admire his willingness to oppose our Iraq invasion from the beginning. But shiny-eyed teenagers who distribute leaflets for him in places like Yamhill County are going to get very cold stares — and end up heartbroken.

If the Democrats are serious about governing, they should remember the words of one of their nominees, Adlai Stevenson. After one of his typically brilliant campaign speeches, someone shouted out to Stevenson from the crowd that he had the votes of all thinking Americans.

Stevenson shouted back, saying that wasn't enough: "I need a majority!"


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: carter; clinton; dean; democrats; gore; johnson; kennedy; kristof; mcgovern; nader; nixon; southerners; stevenson
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1 posted on 12/06/2003 8:44:29 AM PST by OESY
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To: Senator Kunte Klinte
In a bit of British understatement, let me say Kristof is not my favorite pundit, but I love to see this McGovernite and Clinton-lover agonize over the fate of his party.

In a bit of down home humor, let me say I thought Kristof's squealing like a stuck pig was worth sharing.

Obviously, I was inspired by Bill Clinton, the former Tyson's beneficiary who while oozing charm from every pore, oiled his way across the floor and famously uttered: "Even a blind hog can find an acorn"

2 posted on 12/06/2003 8:45:17 AM PST by OESY
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To: OESY
Caption Happy Howie: Howard Dean, Angry White Metrosexual
3 posted on 12/06/2003 8:45:23 AM PST by Charles Henrickson (Howard Dean, Angry White Metrosexual.)
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To: OESY
"It is, of course, the Democrats' privilege to stand on principle"

It is their privilege but not their practice.

4 posted on 12/06/2003 8:49:33 AM PST by Enterprise
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To: OESY
In his first race for President, William Jennings Bryan actually did very well. William McKinley won in 1896 by 51% to 47%.
5 posted on 12/06/2003 8:50:10 AM PST by Clintonfatigued
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To: OESY
. But as I handed out McGovern leaflets in Yamhill County, Ore., I was greeted as if I were the Antichrist. Soon afterward, Mr. McGovern was defeated in a landslide.

ROTFLOL!!!!!

ROTFLOL

I can't believe the rats are actually going to nominate this nasty little psychotic leftist moron.

And I thought no rat Presidential canidate could ever be more unelectable than Dukakis!!

The rat convention will be a scream

GO DEAN GO!!!!!!!!!!

6 posted on 12/06/2003 8:50:37 AM PST by Rome2000 (McCarthy was right!)
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To: Enterprise
The only thing the democrats stand on is the necks of the little people.
7 posted on 12/06/2003 8:51:28 AM PST by tet68
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To: OESY
Surprisingly honest stuff from the toilet paper of Manhattan.
8 posted on 12/06/2003 8:51:43 AM PST by nwrep
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To: OESY
>>>>>>>>>If the Democrats are serious about governing, they should remember the words of one of their nominees, Adlai Stevenson. After one of his typically brilliant campaign speeches, someone shouted out to Stevenson from the crowd that he had the votes of all thinking Americans.


Proving that the Democrats of his era were arrogant jerks, just like today's.

>>>>>>>>>>>Stevenson shouted back, saying that wasn't enough: "I need a majority!"

That shows what a typical Democrat thinks of the average American. Dean is no better. That attitude, right there, is why I detest the Democrats and want them to lose every electoral vote that's out there.
9 posted on 12/06/2003 8:52:13 AM PST by .cnI redruM ( l = w + w. Two wrongs equal a left.)
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To: OESY
If the Democrats are serious about governing, they should remember the words of one of their nominees, Adlai Stevenson. After one of his typically brilliant campaign speeches, someone shouted out to Stevenson from the crowd that he had the votes of all thinking Americans. Stevenson shouted back, saying that wasn't enough: "I need a majority!"

Dean will get all the votes of the wrong-thinking voters.

Those voters that think with their hearts, souls and purses will vote for Bush!

10 posted on 12/06/2003 8:53:26 AM PST by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN (so it is written, so it is done)
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To: tet68
"The only thing the democrats stand on is the necks of the little people."

Ah, so that's were those shoe marks came from. My chiropractor and I have been baffled for years!

11 posted on 12/06/2003 8:55:27 AM PST by Enterprise
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To: Clintonfatigued
Yeah, but Republican William McKinley beat Democrat Bryan by 60.6% to 39.4% in the electoral college of the day (271 to 176)...
12 posted on 12/06/2003 8:55:48 AM PST by dvwjr
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To: OESY
I seriously doubt that anybody who publicly uses the word "contretemps" can ever be elected president.

LOL!!! I never thought I'd enjoy reading anything written by Krugman-lite, but here it is!

13 posted on 12/06/2003 9:05:19 AM PST by The Old Hoosier (Right makes might.)
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To: dvwjr
Very true. But in some states (California, Oregon, Indiana, Ohio, Kentucky) McKinley's margin was very close.
14 posted on 12/06/2003 9:07:04 AM PST by Clintonfatigued
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To: OESY
bttt
15 posted on 12/06/2003 9:07:09 AM PST by EggsAckley (..................."Dean's got Tom McClintock Eyes".........................)
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To: Clintonfatigued
270 Electoral Votes needed to be elected

 

1980

85,496,851 Total Votes.  52.6% of Eligible Voters.

Candidate Party Popular Vote Electoral College Percent
Ronald Reagan (CA)
George Bush (TX)
Republican 43,901,812 489 50.8%
Jimmy Carter (GA)
Walter Mondale (MN)
Democrat 35,483,820 49 41.0%
John Anderson (IL) Independent 5,719,437 0 6.6%
Ed Clark (CA) Libertarian 921,299 0 1.1%

National Conventions

Republican: Detroit, MI 7/14/80
Democrat:  New York, NY 8/11/80

Ronald Reagan (R): 489  Jimmy Carter (D):  49

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1984
"It's morning again in America"

92,641,042 Total Votes.  53.1% of Eligible Voters.

Candidate Party Popular Vote Electoral College Percent
Ronald Reagan (CA)
George Bush (TX)
Republican 54,455,000 525 58.8%
Walter Mondale (MN)
Geraldine Ferraro (NY)
Democrat 37,577,000 13 40.5%
David Berland (CA) Libertarian 228,314 0  
Lyndon LaRouche (VA) Independent 78,807 0  

National Conventions

Republican:  Dallas, TX 8/20/84
Democrat:  San Francisco, CA 7/16/84

Ronald Reagan (R): 525  Walter Mondale (D):  13

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1988
 "Read My Lips, No New Taxes"

TOTAL: 91,594,136 Total Votes.  50.1% of Eligible Voters.

Candidate Party Popular Vote Electoral College Percent
George H.W. Bush (TX)
James Danforth Quayle (IN)
Republican 48,886,097 426 53.4%
Michael Dukakis (MA)
Lloyd Bentson (MN)
Democrat 41,809,074 111 45.6%
Lloyd Bentson (MN)**
Michael Dukakis (MA)
Democrat   1  
Ron Paul (TX) Libertarian 431,616 0  
Lenore Fulani (NY) New Alliance 217,200 0  
David Duke (LA) Populist 46,910 0  
Eugene McCarthy (MN) Consumer 30,903 0  

**One elector from West Virginia voted for Lloyd Bentsen for President and Michael Dukakis for Vice President.

National Conventions:

Republican:  New Orleans, LA 08/15/1988
Democrat:  Atlanta, GA 07/18/1988

George Bush (R): 426   Michael Dukakis (D): 111  Lloyd Bentson (D): 1



 

 

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16 posted on 12/06/2003 9:08:38 AM PST by Rome2000 (McCarthy was right!)
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To: OESY
Dean '04 landslide bump
17 posted on 12/06/2003 9:16:04 AM PST by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: OESY
I think Bush is the man for the job and I will vote for him. I live in Arkansas and when clinton started his run for the white house I laughed. I didn't believe there was any way he would even come close. His wife become a US senator of NY? What a pile of BS. I don't have to tell you what happened. After that I believe anything can happen. Moral of story? Don't get to cocky.
18 posted on 12/06/2003 9:22:40 AM PST by kempo
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To: Rome2000
Hey, those are impressive graphics. Thanks for the informatve posting.
19 posted on 12/06/2003 9:26:26 AM PST by Clintonfatigued
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To: Rome2000
Here save this for future use

I also agree with your assessment.

FOXNews showed one add that is being played that equates interchangeable pictures of the DimWit of the day with Every DimWit Pres Candidate that has lost since Hubert Humprhrey by showing the picture with the words pledged to raise taxes and LOST then the current DimWit and they still think this is a winner.

20 posted on 12/06/2003 9:58:48 AM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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