NBC Showcases Man “Changing Parties” Over “Bush Energy Policies”

Media Research Center ^ | 12-5-03 | Medial Reseach Center

[biblewonk]

LOL! It would do him no good at all to admit that he was completely wrong about those "pin wheels". In 10 years he'll be saying, assuming he's still alive, "Yeah we get billions kwhrs of clean energy from wind power at a price equal to coal, but they are ugly and polute the landscape, yo Jeeves, fire up my land yacht".

[ImpBill]

"This is only person who doesn't like Bushes policies ..."

I wouldn't go there, if I were you, but of course I am not. I don't have much of an opinion on the energy bill one way or the other as I am not very well read on the subject.

However, I can tell you there have been plenty of Bush's domestic policies and agenda that I am in total opposition to.

Will it drive me to "switch parties"? No, as I re-registered, "non-party aligned" in 1999 after the feckless GOP controlled Senate decided as they could not get the votes to acquit they didn't need to have a "real" impeachment trial.

I have continued to vote GOP since as it is not safe to have the Democrats in control, from a national security viewpoint, but I am definitely not well pleased in the main with GW's domestic agenda and spending in a pandering fashion to capture the votes of the wishy/washy middle and left of center folks.

I know there are plenty of folks that feel the same way as I do on this forum. Granted most here are died in the whole, he (GW) can do anything, and we will worship the ground he walks on, bots, but there really are a growing number of conservatives who aren't all that enamored by his policies here at home.

[Naspino]

The average large, modern wind turbine kills about one bird per year. Compare that to a semi on the road.

You would advocate the murder of innocent birds so that you can sit in a heated house with hot water?

[newgeezer]

Oh, sorry. I must've been mistaken in thinking you were one of those we tried to enlighten in the past (your name rang a bell). 'Wonk (especially) and I have posted time and again about how wind turbines don't slice birds, they do make economic sense, the wind is always blowing somewhere, and the real issue is the grid which, after the big NE blackout, we all know needs a major upgrade anyway.

Yet, of all the FReeper detractors we've run into -- the ones who, like Rush, pass judgment while knowing nothing, apparently because some "conservative" might accuse them of being an enviro-whacko if they give a hint of thinking windpower's anything but totally stupid -- the vast majority have no intention of weighing the facts, and are blissfully happy to keep on p*ssing into the wind.

So, if I was mistaken to lump you into that category which we have come to refer to as "FRetarded," I sincerely apologize.

Here are some sites where you can read up on wind energy:

• Wind Power Facts
• Cielo Wind Power
• GE Wind Energy
• FR thread search, "wind farm"

[randog]

“If it passes as written, it could open up some pristine Rocky Mountain areas to oil and gas drilling...”

I live in the "pristine" Nevada desert and I don't see anyone getting their hackles up about dumping nuke waste here.

[Roughneck]

>>>I have a dream that we take the manned space program money and some of the equally foolish billions wasted and make a real ptc for wind power. What a boon to the economy that would be<<<

Wind farms are an up-and-coming industry here in West Texas, they had a good start in Central California as well until, guess what? the enviro-NUTS did not like it when widdle birdies flew into the fans...so much for using mama nature..environuts will NEVER be satisifed, no matter how "nature friendly" an energy sources is....

[tbpiper]

we take the manned space program money and some of the equally foolish billions

If it weren't for the 'foolishly spent billions' of the manned space program, you would not now have the computer on which you bitch.

[biblewonk]

No, we shouldn't use electricity to heat water or houses. Electricity is the most expensive and complex form of energy and heat is the simplest. We should use simple forms of energy to heat, like gas.

[krb]

I'm not that thrilled with Republican energy policies.

That's not the point of the post. The point of the posting is the blatant bias in the reporting. Like the original poster asked, when will NBC feature some dude POed at the Democrats?

[biblewonk]

If it weren't for the 'foolishly spent billions' of the manned space program, you would not now have the computer on which you bitch.

OH NO, you didn't buy into the spinoff thing did you? I've got a swamp you might be interested in buying also.

[Quick1]

Perhaps when a Democrat is in the White House and setting the Energy Policy?

[newgeezer]

I'm particularly enamored with Tang. And, the ballpoint pen that writes upside down is kinda cool, too. Money well spent!

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[deport]

I'm sure there are some successful wind farms in operation somewhere today.... If you could get one installed in some location like the NE, where the Kennedys and Cronkites oppose it, out in the water away from the land area then that would go a long way to proving it's viability.... Show the opposition it's not that damaging and can be friendly to the surrounding area.

Natural gas should be used for the hydrocarbon value/products not burned to make heat for a structure....

Draw a circle of 100 miles around Rifle Colorado and lots of potential there in the form of shale... However the feds and their increasing requirements drove the experimenting companies out some 15 years ago....

[tbpiper]

OH NO, you didn't buy into the spinoff thing did you? I've got a swamp you might be interested in buying also.

Worked in the program, Sonny Jim. Knew a couple of guys who could speak digital better than english and that was back when you had to do it with actual switches. Between the two of us, only one knows what he's talking about. The other is just tattooed white trash.

[Flightdeck]

"we take the manned space program money and some of the equally foolish billions"

Any politician who wants to dismantle the manned space program loses my vote.

[biblewonk]

I'm sure there are some successful wind farms in operation somewhere today.... If you could get one installed in some location like the NE, where the Kennedys and Cronkites oppose it, out in the water away from the land area then that would go a long way to proving it's viability.... Show the opposition it's not that damaging and can be friendly to the surrounding area.

Natural gas should be used for the hydrocarbon value/products not burned to make heat for a structure....

Draw a circle of 100 miles around Rifle Colorado and lots of potential there in the form of shale... However the feds and their increasing requirements drove the experimenting companies out some 15 years ago....

Always a pleasure to discuss energy with a Freeper that knows something about energy. I think the problem with natural gas is the sudden increase in demand caused by dozens and dozens of gas fired power plants. I'd much rather see gas used for home heat. The thing about home heat is that passive solar design cuts 90 percent of the energy needed and doesn't really cost much at all.

They are expecting large scale offshore wind plants to sell power for 2 cents per kwhr wholesale and I don't knot if that is with any subsidy. These will be 500 to 1000 mw plants made up of 3-5 mw turbines. It's hard to even dream up a negative impact since there aren't any birds out there and they are miles from shore. Ironically the window of opportunity for installation is small because it's so windy out there.

We certainly have plenty of coal, shale and oil sands on this continent. They are a great to have as we improve renewable technology and, dare I day it, conservation.

[biblewonk]

The space program did not give us the semi-conductor, period!

[biblewonk]

Any politician who wants to dismantle the manned space program loses my vote.

I'm sorry to hear that because it's a pointless waste of money.

[newgeezer]

Between the two of us, only one knows what he's talking about. The other is just tattooed white trash.

Seems like there must be a whole lot of us white trash types out here. Because, legend has it that the digital computer was invented in the basement of the Physics Building on the campus of Iowa State University, sometime around 1940.

I seem to recall that the transistor was invented a few years later at Bell Labs.

So, by all means, please enlighten all us poor white trash types as to just how the billions spent on the manned space program are responsible for the PCs on which we bitch. And, while you're at it, clue us in on exactly why the contributions of the space program to our bitchin' machines would never have been accomplished if left to the private sector.

[newgeezer]

Any politician who wants to dismantle the manned space program loses my vote.

Sometimes, the only real difference between a liberal and a conservative is the particular flavor of his unconstitutional special interest.