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Cruel Joke or Medical Anomaly?
UM List ^ | Tim Wilkins

Posted on 12/05/2003 5:50:56 AM PST by xzins

Cruel Joke or Medical Anomaly? Proponents of same-sex "marriage" owe us an answer

by Tim Wilkins

(part of this article may be unsuitable for young readers)

The Physiology of Mankind

"Love and marriage, love and marriage, go together like a horse and carriage. This I tell ya, brother, you can't have one without the other." Neither can you have a marrriage without a man and a woman, unless you’re the Massacheutts Supreme Court–to whom I ask the following question.

Why is one hundred percent of the homosexual population physiologically heterosexual?

When I asked that question before a group of university students, one said the question contained a presumption–that homosexuals were physiologically heterosexual. I am always open to differing views, yet he offered no explanation. In postmodernism one need not waste syllables buttressing one’s views—verbalizing a belief automatically makes it factual. Hubert Humphrey said, "The right to be heard does not automatically include the right to be taken seriously." The student reminded me of a man who, on another occasion, steadfastly disagreed when I said that at conception the man determines the sex of the child. "Every man has a right to his own opinion, but he does not have a right to his own set of facts."

My statement regarding human physiology is neither sexist nor politically motivated. It is a fact.

Look at this statement from two perspectives—first, a theological perspective and second, a medical perspective.

If in fact God creates some people as homosexuals, we must conclude that God has played a cruel joke on them. He has engineered their minds and emotions for attraction to the same-sex and yet created their physiology to be in direct opposition to that attraction. Such an act would be malicious. Only a sadistic god would conceive and conduct such a horrific deed.

Look at the statement from a medical perspective! If homosexuality is a naturally occurring phenomenon—a legitimate alternative to Mankind’s expression of sexuality, we would have to conclude that homosexuals bear severe physiological anomalies.

I am aware the previous conclusion may infuriate some; few things anger people more than uttering a logical thought. Truth has always angered people—which is why some wise sage cautioned, "Tell the truth and run!"

But alas I do not believe the conclusion because I do not believe homosexuality to be moral.

If for no other reason, homosexuality is illegitimate in that it is anatomically unsuitable.

The Ingenuity of the Physical Body

Regardless from where you believe Mankind originated, we must agree that the human body is the work of a genius. How do we account for tear ducts that automatically flush the eye when a microscopic grain of sand invades them? Who can fathom how an arm or leg produces chill bumps, which in turn raises the hairs on those limbs in order to reduce the amount of body heat being expended by a cold wind?

These mysteries of the human body include libido. When sexually aroused, the woman’s body changes through a series of preparations. Her vagina lengthens for a distinct reason. Her body, equipped with Bartholin’s gland, produces lubrication for a distinct reason. More intricate than any scientific invention ever conceived or constructed, the outer third of her vagina swells with blood for a distinct reason. The Psalmist was correct--we are "fearfully and wonderfully made." (Psalm 139:14)

But these incredible workings lead us to another question which refuses to be ignored--why would such physiological changes occur in homosexual women when the changes do nothing to assist sexual interaction?

One cannot simply dismiss the question as irrelevant. If God makes no mistakes, and He does not, what accounts for this dichotomy among homosexuals? If homosexuality is "natural" why the inappropriate and unnecessary body changes?

No legitimate answer exists. God desires each of us to become personally what He has created us to be physiologically, biologically and anatomically.

The Universality of Sin

The answer to why homosexuality exists is sin—a universal condition unconfined to homosexuals; one hundred percent of the world’s population are sinners. "…for all have sinned and come short of God’s glory." (Romans 3:23)

And the answer to sin is Jesus Christ who, by the way, performed His first miracle during the marriage of a man and a woman.

The proponents of homosexual "marriage" appear to have all the answers. What say ye? Is this phenomenon a cruel joke or a medical anomaly?


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: form; function; homosexualagenda; homosexuality; physiology; prisoners
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To: adam_az
Religious morality, being invented by man, is also relative.

The burden of proof is on you to demonstrate this statement, which ultimately boils down to a requirement for you to prove the non-existence of God. Failing that, you are required to acknowledge that religious morality could be absolute if its precepts were based on revelation from a real and existent God. Your comments on this thread are tantamount to a claim that God does not exist, which leads directly to logical necessity for you to accept the validity of some rather ugly relativist morality.

I'm not going to bring evolution into this, and it's a bad example, because it is an attempt to describe a biological process, not relationships between humans.

You're tap-dancing. You've been demanding arguments based solely on scientific principles. So I've been applying your demands to the simple problem of morality. If I say might makes right is a morally valid approach to life, and I can back up the claim by pointing out the scientifically verifiable proof, as embodied by the theory of evolution, you would argue against this because....?

I'm guessing you brought it up, out of an itch to change to topic to something you feel more comfortable debating. I'm not interested.

Not at all. I brought it up to demonstrate the logical implications of what you're saying on this thread. The fact that you don't like those implications is cause for hope, because it may yet lead you to an honest assessment of your motives for saying the things you're saying.

181 posted on 12/05/2003 11:20:42 AM PST by r9etb
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To: William Wallace
Well-put.

Don't you generally find that, the more professed atheists talk, the clearer it is that it all boils down to a combined moral/this-town-ain't-big-enough-for-two-Gods issue?

Dan
Why I Am (Still) a Christian

182 posted on 12/05/2003 11:31:57 AM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: xzins
Telling the truth bump!
183 posted on 12/05/2003 11:34:22 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (Pre-empt the third murder attempt-- Pray for Terry Schiavo!)
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To: William Wallace
Revision: I should have said, "Don't you generally find that, the more professed atheists talk — and don't they love to talk? — (etc.)...."

Dan

184 posted on 12/05/2003 11:40:40 AM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: adam_az
That's why religion is an exceedingly bad basis for argument, particularly when it takes the form of the bedrock facts of an argument. Unless you are the kind of person who likes to build their house on sand.

You are a very foolish (and stubbornly so) person. You put all of your faith in science yet science can't answer all questions. Science is about observation and application... it deals with the "what" of life. What happened? What will happen if these circumstances are repeated?

Indeed philosophy and religion have always been the basis of the arguments of life.

Philosophy and religion seeks to answer the far more important question... why. I think post #127 does an excellent job of taking this argument further so I won't simply repeat what has been well laid out for you.

185 posted on 12/05/2003 11:48:13 AM PST by pgyanke (Big Bang Theory = First there was nothing...then it exploded.)
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To: adam_az
You're engaging in a series of Red Herring fallacies. First you shift the focus of the argument onto the author's comments on God. Now, you're trying to draw an equivalence to the psychological use of sexual organs for something other than pure reproduction.

I will grant your point. Using sexual organs for something other than pure reproduction is psychological and behavioral, not hard-wired biology.

Therefore, homosexuality is a purely psychological/behavioral act because it is a 100% use of the sexual organs for something other than for what they are biologically designed.

The next logical step in your reasoning is to conclude that homosexuality is a deviant psychological phenomena because it is outside the mainstream of human sexual activity.

The final step in your reasoning is to then conclude that it is not in the interest of society to promote, encourage or support psychologically deviant behavior.

Congratulations. You've just argued yourself into agreement with pretty much everyone else on this board.
186 posted on 12/05/2003 11:50:20 AM PST by frgoff
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To: BibChr
LOL! Thanks Dan.

Don't you generally find that, the more professed atheists talk, the clearer it is that it all boils down to a combined moral/this-town-ain't-big-enough-for-two-Gods issue?

Indeed.

Printed your article for later reading when I'm not distracted by phones, etc. Thanks for the link.

187 posted on 12/05/2003 12:02:21 PM PST by William Wallace (Darkdrake Lives!)
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To: frgoff
You're about a hundred thirty-six posts late:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1034458/posts?page=50#50
188 posted on 12/05/2003 12:12:08 PM PST by adam_az
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To: adam_az
Fact and Truth have no place in theology, because theology at least so far has not been proven using the scientific method, which is the litmus test for "fact".

If I hadn't read your previous posts, I'd think you were joking. Since you do not believe in God, you doubtless believe in evolution which is destroyed by the very scientific method you praise.

If, as you say, the scientific method is the litmust test for "fact", are things outside the reach of materialism false by definition? Did Troy not exist before it was discovered? Is the law of noncontradiction false because it cannot be verified by the scientific method?

Your claim is at least myopic, at most absurd.

189 posted on 12/05/2003 12:13:54 PM PST by Dataman
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To: Dad was my hero
The bible says that "the entire creation was subject to decay" by virtue of the fall.

That's a starting point.
190 posted on 12/05/2003 12:21:18 PM PST by xzins (Proud to be Army!)
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To: steve-b
Can you explain how they work is the question?

191 posted on 12/05/2003 12:28:32 PM PST by xzins (Proud to be Army!)
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To: adam_az
Religion created by humans...

Christians believe that Christ started the church. Partially correct you are, in that Christ was fully human and fully divine.
192 posted on 12/05/2003 12:30:30 PM PST by xzins (Proud to be Army!)
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To: xzins
Well, what I'm having trouble with is resolving this... We know that birth defects are no longer considered punishment from God due to sin but I've been taught that we recognize them as our crosses we bear in this life. So if the author is stating that God doesn't make them homosexuals at birth because that would be evidence of a cruel God (and for the record, I don't believe they are born that way), then why does he allow babies to be born with birth defects. It's sort of like this, why would homosexuality not be considered similarly to, say, a birth defect? Their cross to bear so to speak.

I'm sure I'll get my mind right soon. ;^)

193 posted on 12/05/2003 12:30:51 PM PST by Dad was my hero
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To: Dad was my hero; adam_az
Is it beyond your abilities to admit you might be wrong in construing that the author's discussion about God is to address the theological aspect of creation?

This article is not at all about discussing how God created.

You are 100% correct.

I'm still wondering why AA insists on turning this discussion it a theism/atheism argument.

AA....can you enlighten me?

194 posted on 12/05/2003 12:34:29 PM PST by xzins (Proud to be Army!)
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To: adam_az
The article does not predicate it hypothesis on the existence of God.

It's argument is: 100% of homosexuals have heterosexual physiology. WHAT PART OF THAT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH AN ARGUMENT ABOUT THE EXISTENCE OF GOD!

It even allows that some might want to draw conclusions medically rather than theologically.

195 posted on 12/05/2003 12:37:19 PM PST by xzins (Proud to be Army!)
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To: BibChr
Thanks for bringing this article to my attention. Interesting to watch the corks pop.


196 posted on 12/05/2003 12:40:40 PM PST by Dataman
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To: xzins
Good luck on that one. I tried that route earlier and it only became a circular discussion where I found I was going to restate what I thought was obvious from the start for the third time.
197 posted on 12/05/2003 12:41:09 PM PST by Dad was my hero
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To: Dad was my hero
I took issue with the author in this area as well. It boils down to this... who do we think we are to pronounce God good or bad? We're the creation, not the creator. Good and evil are His to designate--and He has. We all have crosses to bear. In every case that springs to mind, these crosses can be the ties that bind us to Him, therefore blessings.
198 posted on 12/05/2003 12:41:33 PM PST by pgyanke (Big Bang Theory = First there was nothing...then it exploded.)
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To: steve-b
the vestiges of body hair

Another good example of an unwarranted assumption.

199 posted on 12/05/2003 12:48:16 PM PST by Dataman
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To: pgyanke
That was why I pinged it to myself originally. I wanted to mull over what he wrote in my mind. I believe that people born with all kinds of birth defects, even the most severe are given to us to show OUR humanity and help us come closer to Him. So the author takes up two major prongs in his argument but there is the possibility that this is just one of those crosses to bear which could be genetic (again, I don't hold to that belief), or it could be nurture.

Blessings to you too!

200 posted on 12/05/2003 12:54:28 PM PST by Dad was my hero
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