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French Carrier Disaster Gets Very Strange
StrategyPage ^ | December 4, 2003 | 'Dirty Little Secrets’

Posted on 12/04/2003 3:13:10 PM PST by quidnunc

December 4, 2003: France is considering quietly retiring their new nuclear powered aircraft carrier and joining with Britain to buy a new carrier of British design. Actually, the French had planned to built a second nuclear powered carrier, but they are having so many problems with the first one that they are quite reluctant about building another one. Britain is building two 50,000 ton conventionally powered carriers, at a cost of $2.5 billion each. France would order a third of this class, and bring down the cost of all three a bit. The new French nuclear carrier "Charles de Gaulle" has suffered from a seemingly endless string of problems. The 40,000 ton ship has cost over four billion dollars so far and is slower than the diesel powered carrier it replaced. Flaws in the "de Gaulle" have led it to using the propellers from it predecessor, the "Foch," because the ones built for "de Gaulle" never worked right. Worse, the nuclear reactor installation was done poorly, exposing the engine crew to five times the allowable annual dose of radiation. There were also problems with the design of the deck, making it impossible to operate the E-2 radar aircraft that are essential to defending the ship and controlling offensive operations. Many other key components of the ship did not work correctly, and the carrier has been under constant repair and modification. The "de Gaulle" took eleven years to build (1988-99) and was not ready for service until late 2000. It's been downhill ever since. So the plan is to buy into the new British carrier building program and keep the "de Gaulle" in port and out of trouble as much as possible. The British have a lot more experience building carriers, and if  there are any problems with the British designed ship, one can blame the British.

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TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: charlesdegaulle; france; losership; schadenfrog; schadenfruede; turass
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To: quidnunc; hchutch
Ping.
21 posted on 12/04/2003 3:33:33 PM PST by Poohbah ("Beware the fury of a patient man" -- John Dryden)
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To: quidnunc
Seems like the perfect place to post W's Speech at the Christening of the USS Ronald Wilson Reagan:

Thank you all. Thank you very much. Mr. Secretary, thank you for those kind words. I picked the right man to be the Secretary of Defense at this time in history.

Mrs. Reagan, it is an honor to be with you. Reagan family members, friends of the great President, Laura and I are honored to be here.

We join with the Governor and Senator of this state in asking for God's blessings on those who lost their lives yesterday, and for their families.

Bill, thank you very much for your hospitality. Secretary Powell and Secretary Abraham, Leader Lott, Chairman Warner — I can't tell if you're trying to retire me early — (laughter) — or influence my behavior. (Laughter.)

Senator Allen, Governor Gilmore, Representative Scott and members of Congress, Justice Kennedy, Admiral Clark, welcome. But most of all, I want to welcome the men and women of the United States Navy, including the officers and crew who will soon be on the Ronald Reagan. (Applause.)

Looking at the bow of this great ship, we think of those who will sail it, and of those who built it, and to this ship, six years in the making, we have put the finest of American workmanship. On board this ship we'll put the finest sailors in the world. And upon this ship we have put the finest of American names.

Forty-nine years ago, another outstanding American took that name herself. Mrs. Reagan, I know today is your 49th anniversary, wedding anniversary. Since your wedding day, you've seen the name Reagan written large in many places, from theater marquees to the archways of great buildings. But there is something especially fitting in the place it holds today, on the newest ship, in the greatest Navy in the world. (Applause.)

When we send her off to sea, it is certain that the Ronald Reagan will meet with rough waters, as well as smooth, and headwinds as well as fair. But she will sail tall and strong, like the man we have known.

A man can not be strong forever, but if he is very fortunate, life will send him a partner to be strong when he is not. In a life of honors, Ronald Reagan has always valued one honor above all, the love of Nancy. It is a love that believes all, hopes all, and endures all. Mrs. Reagan, anyone who has seen you together knows how much you mean to him. I want you to know how much your care and love for him means to America. (Applause.)

It was said of a great architect centuries ago, if you want to seek his monument, look around you. That is true of Ronald Reagan. We live in a world shaped in so many ways by his will and heart. As President, Ronald Reagan believed without question that tyranny is temporary, and the hope of freedom is universal and permanent; that our nation has a unique goodness, and must remain uniquely strong; that God takes the side of justice, because all our rights are His own gifts.

The strength of these beliefs gave strength to our allies and hope to political prisoners, and courage to average citizens in oppressed nations, and leadership to our military and to our country.

Some achievements fade with the years. Ronald Reagan's achievements grow larger with the passing of time. He had a profound vision of America's role in the world as one of peace through strength. And because of Ronald Reagan, the world saw America as a strong and peaceful nation.

Today's world is different from the one he faced and changed. We are no longer divided into armed camps, locked in a careful balance of terror. Yet, freedom still has enemies. Our present dangers are less concentrated and more varied. They come from rogue nations, from terrorism, from missiles that threaten our forces, our friends, our allies and our homeland. Our times call for new thinking. But the values Ronald Reagan brought to America's conduct in the world will not change.

So as we dedicate this ship, I want to rededicate American policy to Ronald Reagan's vision of optimism, modesty, and resolve. Ronald Reagan's optimism defined his character and it defined his presidency. More than a habit of mind, this optimism sprang from deep confidence in the power and future of American ideals. Great democracies, he believed, are built on the strong foundation of consent and human dignity. Any government built on oppression is built on sand. The future, he proclaimed, belongs to the free.

That belief has lost none of its power to inspire hope and change. Around the world today, the expectation of freedom is fed by free markets and expanded by free trade, and carried across borders by the Internet. And nations that try to restrict these freedoms are in a losing battle with liberty.

America, by nature, stands for freedom. And we must always remember, we benefit when it expands. So we will stand by those nations moving toward freedom. We'll stand up to those nations who deny freedom and threaten our neighbors or our vital interests. And we will assert emphatically that the future will belong to the free.

At the same time President Reagan understood that this confidence should never be arrogance. No one was better at using the bully pulpit of the presidency, but under his leadership America was never a bully.

One of the ways we show the world we take our values seriously is to live by them, ourselves. Our nation cherishes freedom, but we do not own it. While it is the birthright of every American, it is also the equal promise of the religious believe in Southern Sudan, or an Iraqi farmer in the Tigris Valley, or of a child born in China today. We help fulfill that promise not by lecturing the world, but by leading it.

Precisely because America is powerful, we must be sensitive about expressing our power and influence. Our goal is to patiently build the momentum of freedom, not create resentment for America itself. We pursue our goals; we will listen to others; we want strong friends to join us, not weak neighbors to dominate. In all our dealings with other nations, we will display the modesty of true confidence and strength.

And finally, Ronald Reagan understood that the advance of freedom depends on American strength. We must have a military that is second to none, and that includes a Navy that is second to none. (Applause.)

As has been mentioned, for the last 60 years, every President has had to ask, where are the carriers? None has ever been disappointed by the Navy's response. Just a few weeks ago, I asked the same question, and called upon the Harry S. Truman in the Persian Gulf. Ronald Reagan built the military of today, the military that keeps our peace. But we cannot live forever on that legacy. Our challenge is to build a military that will deter and win the wars of the future.

Almost 20 years ago President Reagan made his first visit to an aircraft carrier, the USS Constellation. He told the sailors how grateful America was that they were there as a powerful force in an uncertain world. One hundred thousand tons of American power you see over here will carry forward this proud tradition. In fact, in two years, the Reagan will actually replace the U.S. Constellation.

What you don't see is what's different between those two magnificent vessels. The island on the Reagan's main deck is almost the same height as that of its predecessors, but it has one less level. The empty space will be filled with cables that will tie the ship into a vast network that connects information and weapons in new ways. This will revolutionize the Navy's ability to project American power over land and sea, ensuring access for all our forces, wherever our vital interests are threatened.

These new capabilities are the future of our military, not just the Navy, but of all our services. It is the future of where a revolution in technology will change the face of war, itself. We'll keep the peace by redefining the terms of war. We'll change our military, yet we will never forget that America's strength ultimately depends on the courage and spirit of the men and women who wear the uniform.

Nearly half our ships are at sea right now. One-third are forward deployed overseas, taking their crew away from family and the comforts of home. In our sleep we don't think about the enemies that the men and women who wear the uniform deter, the friends they reassure, the freedom in trade they guarantee. Yet, we rest at night protected by the security they provide.

As President, Ronald Reagan understood our duty to these brave Americans, and so do I. Our men and women in uniform give America their best, and we owe them our support in return. These are the defining qualities of Ronald Reagan, optimism, modesty and strength. They're also the qualities that will guide America in a new century.

So, today, the Ronald Reagan begins its journey into the bright and peaceful dawn that President Reagan helped to bring. All of us here wish the ship Ronald Reagan Godspeed. And we wish Ronald Reagan God's blessings.

God bless America. (Applause.)

22 posted on 12/04/2003 3:33:35 PM PST by Joe 6-pack
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To: AmericanVictory
Rather than making a carrier that works, the French would rather tell us how to use ours.

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! I have nothing to add - that covers it all.

23 posted on 12/04/2003 3:35:53 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Billthedrill
And the armoured windows on the tower frosted over so they can't see where they are going....as if it mattered...
24 posted on 12/04/2003 3:41:42 PM PST by spokeshave (Cancel the San Jose Merc and the one way truck to Nevada)
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To: Arkie2
Maybe the French should hire some Americans to fix the dang thing?

From last year....

Press Release Number:  EHD200209261

26-Sep-02
 

NAVAIR Assists French Navy Carrier

By Vicky Falcón
NAVAIR Public Affairs


The French Navy had a choice to make.

Spend six months in the shipyard and four million Euros to peen both catapults on the French carrier Charles De Gaulle, or have the Naval Air Systems Command (NAVAIR) perform the task in three weeks at a fraction of the cost.

The choice was easy.

Four NAVAIR Voyage Repair Team (VRT) members and two Carrier and Field Service Unit (CAFSU) representatives spent less than three weeks in Toulon, France, working with French sailors to service the catapults aboard the ship.

Catapults are the key to launching aircraft off the deck of a carrier. Ship personnel can perform routine maintenance, but when major servicing is required professional expertise is necessary – that’s where NAVAIR comes in.

“The impressive commitment displayed by everyone involved again demonstrates the continuing success of the services provided to our launch and recovery program and are in keeping within the highest traditions that our two navies share,” said the Commanding Officer of the Charles De Gaulle in a message expressing his thanks to the American team.

The job entailed lifting the power cylinders (46 per catapult) from the Charles De Gaulles’ two catapults onto the deck of the ship and taking them apart for peening – the process of reshaping the inside of the cylinders. They were then reassembled and lowered back into the carrier’s catapult trough where the cylinder covers were installed and adjusted. Subsequently, the catapult trough covers were set and two tests were performed to validate the clearances were within specification.

Joe McGuckin is the head of NAVAIR’s Fleet Technical Services Division and oversees CAFSU personnel.

“These men and women represent the essence of NAVAIR,” said McGuckin. “They have unsurpassed knowledge, expertise and experience in naval aviation technologies and are able to respond urgently, accurately and effectively to the calls of our warfighter – and our allies.”

“In other words,” he added, “they are the best in the world at what they do.”

CAFSU and VRT personnel provide on-site technical services for the Aircraft Launch and Recovery Equipment (ALRE) for American carriers at sea, as well as the French carrier. Some of the systems they are responsible for include the catapults, arresting gear flush deck nose gear launch, jet blast deflectors, Heads-Up Display (HUD) and Fresnel Lens Optical Landing System (FLOLS).

According to McGuckin, who works out of NAVAIR Lakehurst, N.J., the CAFSU and VRT are the eyes, ears and the direct link between the many engineers at Lakehurst and the ship’s personnel who operate the equipment.

“We at NAVAIR believe the warfighter has the right to expect the world’s best guidance, counsel, advice and support regarding naval aviation technology,” he said. “And that’s what we provide every day.”

McGuckin also looks forward to working with the French in the future. “They’ve just received the ‘OK’ to build a second carrier,” he said. “They will definitely be working with NAVAIR on that initiative, as well.”

NAVAIR provides advanced warfare technology through the efforts of a seamless, integrated, worldwide network of aviation technology experts. From professional training to carrier launch; from sensor data to precision targeting; from aircraft and weapons development to successful deployment; from real-time communication to aircraft recovery NAVAIR provides dominant combat effects and matchless capabilities to the American warfighter.

For more information about the Naval Air Systems Command, go to www.navair.navy.mil

Photos by David Womack.


Caption 1: NAVAIR Carrier and Field Service Unit and NAVAIR Voyage Repair Team personnel peen a catapult power cylinder aboard the French aircraft carrier Charles De Gaulle while in port in Toulon, France in August. Brett Lowe, Dale Hafer, Kevin Vanderberry and Willie Thompson (from left to right) were part of a NAVAIR team from Norfolk, Va., and Mayport, Fl., sent to Toulon to assist the French Navy in servicing the carrier's catapults. There were a total of 46 cylinders to be peened per catapult. On the left is one of two rows of power cylinders ready to lower into the bow catapult of the carrier.


Caption 2: NAVAIR Voyage Repair Team (VRT) member Brett Lowe (on left) works with three Charles De Gaulle cremembers to make repairs to the French carrier's catapult power cylinder covers prior to final assembly on board the ship in port in Toulon, France in August. Lowe was part of a six-man NAVAIR team that completed a servicing request by the French Navy for the ship's catapults.


Caption 3: NAVAIR Voyage Repair Team (VRT) member Wilbern McFarland (foreground) and Charles De Gaulle crewmembers lower one row of waist catapult power cylinders following peening and reassembly aboard the French aircraft carrier while in port in Toulon, France in August. A total of 23 gantry winches are used to simultaneously lower the entire row of power cylinders. Each member would handcrank 1/4 turn in the lower position per whistle blow. All other members of the American team monitored the loaad of each winch to insure that none became overloaded and broke. The NAVAIR team consisted of four VRTs and two Carrier and Field Service Unit personnel.


25 posted on 12/04/2003 3:44:12 PM PST by csvset
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To: quidnunc
I'd be willing to sell them a Nimitz Class if they named it the "Lafayette."

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

26 posted on 12/04/2003 3:48:29 PM PST by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: demlosers
Neither does it have a landworthy army.
27 posted on 12/04/2003 3:49:24 PM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: quidnunc
I bet the wine cellar is well stocked.
28 posted on 12/04/2003 3:49:56 PM PST by aomagrat (IYAOYAS)
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To: quidnunc
Given the deteriorating state of education in the US, I would say that we're about 10-20 years away from not being able to build a seaworthy ship ourselves.
29 posted on 12/04/2003 3:50:12 PM PST by The Duke
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To: csvset
So who is the chick sucking her thumb in the pic....?

I guess a replacement for the busted washing machines....?

30 posted on 12/04/2003 3:50:26 PM PST by spokeshave (Cancel the San Jose Merc and the one way truck to Nevada)
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To: demlosers
Years and years ago while a car was being repaired the shop "loaned" me a renault. Damned thing had gears made out of cork. Not the thing to loan to a 16 year old driver.
31 posted on 12/04/2003 3:56:45 PM PST by stumpy
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To: quidnunc
All this criticism is unfounded. I am certain the ship will sink as expeditiously as any other French vessel.
32 posted on 12/04/2003 3:58:31 PM PST by witnesstothefall
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To: quidnunc
snicker
33 posted on 12/04/2003 3:58:54 PM PST by ElkGroveDan (Fighting for Freedom and Having Fun)
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To: quidnunc
The French are world famous for making lousy firearms and crummy cars.

Why should their aircraft carriers be any different?

34 posted on 12/04/2003 4:01:33 PM PST by Gritty ("To disarm the people; that it was the best and most effectual way to enslave them"-George Mason)
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To: quidnunc
The management at Boeing must really be bad if they're being beat in the commercial airliner market by the French-led consortium, Airbus.
35 posted on 12/04/2003 4:01:50 PM PST by JoeSchem
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To: reagan_fanatic
I feel like lighting up a cigarette after reading this one

LOL

36 posted on 12/04/2003 4:05:03 PM PST by muleskinner
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To: csvset
Who's the hottie in the background of #3, I guess Hot would be radio active at this point.
37 posted on 12/04/2003 4:08:45 PM PST by Dead Dog
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To: IncPen
shedenfraude (sp). The cheese eating surrender monkies prove, once again, that $hit floats.
38 posted on 12/04/2003 4:09:57 PM PST by truthandjustice1
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To: PsyOp
"I wonder how many planes they lost before they realized that that CVs need arresting gear..."

I wonder how many planes they lost before they realized it was too short! Mon Dieux!
39 posted on 12/04/2003 4:14:04 PM PST by cowtowney
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To: quidnunc
Another French Farce. And Biden wants us to hand over two NATO commands to the French!
40 posted on 12/04/2003 4:15:15 PM PST by Timocrat (I Emanate on your Auras and Penumbras)
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