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To: js1138
Only believers in vitalism would have a need for a sharply delineated definition of life.

Agreed.

A computer virus most definitely, in reproducing itself, decreases its entropy (of course, so do many growing crystals, ice on a freezing lake, etc). It's a code in the same sense the viral DNA or RNA is a code; it's simply written in a different language on a different medium. And it is written by a human rather than evolving from a piece of parasitic nucleic acid; however, I believe people have tried to develop computer viruses that can mutate their own code and evolve. It is hard to find a meaningful criterion, relevant to the dicussion of what life is, by which a computer virus differs from a biological virus.

924 posted on 12/11/2003 8:22:15 AM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: Right Wing Professor
It is hard to find a meaningful criterion, relevant to the dicussion of what life is, by which a computer virus differs from a biological virus.

At least with viruses we can limit the discussion to observable behavior. For a fun time, start talking about the minimum neural complexity necessary for consciousness.

927 posted on 12/11/2003 8:32:19 AM PST by js1138
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To: Right Wing Professor
...I believe people have tried to develop computer viruses that can mutate their own code and evolve.

I don't know of any viruses like that "in the wild", but it would certainly be an interesting challenge to try putting one together. The closest thing I can think of to "mutation" are polymorphic viruses, which aren't really "mutating" in a stringent sense anyway - they are designed to change their appearance but preserve their functionality, in order to defeat signature scanners. But there is, by design, no chance that they will randomly develop new functions or abilities - the underlying functionality is always preserved - and hence no chance of "evolution".

I wonder about the possibility of "evolving" a solution, though. Writing a virus is trivially easy - writing a virus that can slip past a sophisticated "immune system", which is what modern antivirus packages are, really - is a much taller order, one that might be crackable by allowing genetic algorithms to go to work...

930 posted on 12/11/2003 9:13:41 AM PST by general_re (Knife goes in, guts come out! That's what Osaka Food Concern is all about!)
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To: Right Wing Professor
I believe people have tried to develop computer viruses that can mutate their own code and evolve.
 
Well good luck!~
 
Every time I post something to this effect, 'Change a bit at a time in a computer program and just SEE if it gets better', in response to the "E" mantra of random mutations changing a living creature advantageously, it seems to be absorbed into a black hole: no responses ensue....

954 posted on 12/11/2003 1:15:06 PM PST by Elsie (Don't believe every prophecy you hear: especially *** ones........)
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To: Right Wing Professor
A computer virus most definitely, in reproducing itself, decreases its entropy

How?

970 posted on 12/11/2003 1:40:09 PM PST by Elsie (Don't believe every prophecy you hear: especially *** ones........)
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