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Group seeks Prop. 187-like ballot measure
San Diego Union Tribune ^ | December 3, 2003 | Ed Mendel

Posted on 12/03/2003 9:08:00 AM PST by gubamyster

By Ed Mendel STAFF WRITER

December 3, 2003

SACRAMENTO – A group that sponsored Proposition 187, a measure denying public services to illegal immigrants that was blocked by the courts, will try to place a similar initiative on the November ballot next year.

The group is encouraged by the pending repeal of a law allowing illegal immigrants to obtain driver licenses and the historic election that recalled former Gov. Gray Davis and replaced him with Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Ron Prince of Save Our State said polls show that Proposition 187 continues to be popular with voters, and drives for the recall and a referendum on the driver license law show that signatures can be gathered on the Internet.

"This business of trying to pander to one ethnic group or another – that doesn't wash very well with the public," Prince said.

The secretary of state gave the group approval yesterday to gather the 598,105 signatures needed to place the initiative on the ballot.

Proposition 187 was passed by voters in 1994 after a divisive campaign, but was struck down in court because of a conflict with federal law. After Davis dropped an appeal in 1999, the backers of Proposition 187 unsuccessfully tried to gather signatures for another initiative.

"Our movement was rather discouraged," Prince said, "and there was not enough interest to be able to do it. The white flag was flying over our side of the issue."

Prince said the new initiative avoids a federal conflict by using language from a law passed by Congress in 1996 that denies taxpayer-supported public services to illegal immigrants, but makes enforcement optional by states.

He said the new initiative does not contain the Proposition 187 ban on children of illegal immigrants attending public schools. But he expects the school ban to be sought in a lawsuit if the measure passes.

The new initiative also prohibits issuing driver licenses to illegal immigrants and would prevent state and local government from accepting identification documents issued by foreign consulates.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: aliens; immigrantlist; prop187
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
Arizona has an initiative going as well

Go Arizona!

21 posted on 12/03/2003 8:13:44 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: GrandMoM
Time and familiar association has created less animosity and more tolerance

Not in my area. Most I know are more pissed off than ever. That was maybe their intention, or agenda, but it didn't happen. Those that want to roll over can head to Hacksaw Arkansas.

This was the will of the people. No one fell asleep. We will abide.

22 posted on 12/03/2003 8:17:29 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: gubamyster
The more taxes I pay and the more illegals that break and enter into my country, the less tolerant I become about my taxes going to pay for benefits for illegals.

That says it all!

23 posted on 12/03/2003 8:18:48 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: DumpsterDiver
Thanks, DD! I'll download lots of petitions. Everyone I know wants this to happen, they're all sick of paying for the open borders fiasco.
24 posted on 12/03/2003 8:29:53 PM PST by janetgreen
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To: gubamyster; Pro-Bush
"This business of trying to pander to one ethnic group or another – that doesn't wash very well with the public," Prince said

Bump!

25 posted on 12/04/2003 5:05:24 AM PST by JustPiper (Teach the Children to fight Liberalism ! They will be voting in 2008 !!!)
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To: JustPiper
This is good. Time to strike while the iron is hot.

Change has to happen at the state level since the federal government is at a stalemate over illegal immigration.

26 posted on 12/04/2003 5:13:05 AM PST by Missouri
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To: gubamyster
Proposition 187 was passed by voters in 1994 after a divisive campaign, but was struck down in court because of a conflict with federal law.

Do any of the Freeper legal types know exactly what the "conflict" was?
Has anything changed since then to expect a different outcome?

Other than the 9th Circus Court, is there anything preventing its implementation?

27 posted on 12/04/2003 5:16:13 AM PST by Publius6961 (40% of Californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks.)
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To: Publius6961
I had the impression that the ruling claimed California was overstepping its authority on federal matters (immigration). Or, maybe she said CA didn't have authority to determine who was/wasn't legally here.
28 posted on 12/04/2003 5:33:01 AM PST by heleny
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To: Publius6961
BTTT
29 posted on 12/04/2003 6:15:12 AM PST by GrandMoM ("Without prayer, the hand of GOD stops, BUT, with prayer the hand of GOD moves !!!)
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To: Publius6961
Do any of the Freeper legal types know exactly what the "conflict" was?

Ron Prince was on John & Ken (KFI 640) yesterday. He stated that the original Prop 187 banned illegals from education & health care. This new prop would not have those restrictions & basically compelled the state of CA to conform to Federal laws.

He indicated they knew of the problems with the original Prop 187 & designed it to challenge earlier Supreme Court rulings on banning illegals from education. Since this new prop does not have the education & health care restrictions, he does not see how it can loose if challenged in court.

30 posted on 12/04/2003 9:10:50 AM PST by gubamyster
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