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12-7 and 9-11
Vote Republican.net ^ | 12-3-03 | Michael P. Tremoglie

Posted on 12/03/2003 7:09:56 AM PST by Hill Street Blues

12-7 and 9-11

by Michael P. Tremoglie

The 1930’s were known as the Red Decade. It was an era when American culture and political thought were becoming increasingly leftist in orientation.

In the words of Eugene Lyons in his book The Red Decade: "Never before --or since-- had all areas of American society been so deeply penetrated by a foreign nation and a foreign ideology. Never before had the country's thinking, official policies, education, art, and moral attitudes been so profoundly affected by the agents, sympathisers and unwitting puppets of a distant dictatorship."

Pearl Harbor changed that orientation.

After Pearl Harbor Americans became more patriotic, more religious, and more democratic after Pearl Harbor. The institutions of American culture were changed. Media, art, music all became more appreciative of American democracy and less appreciative of foreign “utopias.”

For the next two decades, American culture promoted the ideas of democracy, religion, equality, capitalism, and patriotism. The uniformed services were regarded with esteem. Capitalism was enjoyed and revered. The only bastions of leftist culture were in the very influential (albeit small) fields of art, literature, entertainment, journalism, government, and academia. However, unlike the 30’s, leftist philosophy was not the preeminent belief among Americans even though it may have been among some elites.

All that changed in the jungles of Southeast Asia.

Leftist/socialist/communist thought became the major philosophy, the zeitgeist as it were. It was represented sympathetically in movies, theater, television, art, books, and most importantly academia. These institutions promoted ideas that were antithetical to the American ethos. Uniform services were reviled. Capitalism was disdained.

The average American reverted to being skeptical about the American ideal and public opinion was receptive to the communist propaganda. After all, many soldiers in Viet Nam believed it was an “economic war.” Many citizens believed that it was only the “poor and the minorities who were being sent to Viet Nam” - a myth that to this day is being recited by such influential journalists as Chris Mathews and historians like Doris Kearns Goodwin.

We were told that Ho Chi Minh modeled his declaration from the Declaration of Independence. Americans serving in Viet Nam were given the analogy by the media of comparing Viet Nam to our own Revolutionary War. They were made to feel that we were the British and they the redcoats. The Communists were like the American colonists - patriots who only wanted freedom.

These anti-American feelings precipitated a purge of the government institutions like defense and intelligence in the post-Viet Nam era. Public opinion, disillusioned by Viet Nam and Watergate, and fueled by a liberal media, was ripe to begin dismantling intelligence because of the “revelations” of Cointelpro. These revelations of FBI spying on “civil rights” groups and leaders; clergy; and charitable organizations were portrayed by the media as fascism.

9-11 changed all that.

Since then, we have noticed a reverence for the uniform services. A reverence that has not existed since WWII. This reverence has been shared by and, in some instances implemented by, the artistic and literary community. American capitalism and military have a new appreciation as imperfect as they are.

Those in the media or on campus may question whether the flag should be displayed. However, this question would never have been considered before. They would have considered displaying a flag jingoistic.

It is only among some academicians, some government officials and the mainstream media that the anti-American status quo is retained. It is only among them that this transmogrification from loathing of American culture to an appreciation of what America provides them has not occurred.

Yet, this is a positive thing. It is positive because the public needs to know about: professors who proclaim that any group that can destroy the Pentagon is admirable; professors who proclaim that it is America who is responsible for the Taliban; CEO’s of media corporations who proclaim that they cannot issue a condemnation of terrorism because of their objectivity; government officials who prohibit patriotic displays; librarians who unctuously reprimand an employee for furnishing the FBI information about terrorists.

As long as the average American is aware of such anti-American fanaticism these people will be discredited. Ordinary America will now know these liberal elites are not altruists. They do not believe in democracy. They are demagogues. They are totalitarians. They are aristocrats.

The liberals are becoming increasingly marginalized as more is known about them. As ordinary Americans are learning about who is operating their cultural institutions and as they learn that they have not been told the truth, those institutions will change. As more and more Americans learn that educators do not want the pledge of allegiance recited because it somehow might make some students uncomfortable, Americans might ask themselves - is the prohibition of prayer in school really a constitutional issue or an attempt to bowdlerize religion from the culture? Are the proclamations by civil libertarians opposing military tribunals really a civil liberties issue or just fanaticism?

As more Americans hear and read mainstream media journalists describe as jingoistic Lee Greenwood singing “ I’m proud to be an American, God Bless the USA,” those journalists will be recognized as the as the sanctimonious, supercilious twits they are.

December 7th ended the Red Decade. September 11th will change American culture as well.


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To: Hill Street Blues
EXCELLENT!!
81 posted on 12/03/2003 1:59:29 PM PST by jonalvy44
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To: Maelstrom
***bats eyelashes***

Thank you for thinking of me.
82 posted on 12/03/2003 2:11:14 PM PST by Calpernia (Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does.)
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To: JohnGalt
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......John......

For some reason I tend to agree with what you are saying......though I am not able to understand everything within the context of the discussion.

POINTS FOR CONSIDERATION

1.....in that the 1930's were the Depression Era.....how does that affect the designation of them as "communistic?" What were the causes of the Depression, (was it just a natural outcome of capitalism...hence, "benign?")... and what might have been done concerning it that you would call "acceptable".?

2....If what you say concerning the "state of politics" is true......doesn't this make the language of today's "debate" simplistic.....even laughable? Liberal?.....Conservative?.....Left?...Right?.........what could these "words" possibly mean?

3........How would you, in general, define today's affairs......especially inre "values" or "value structure" so that the .....Youth of America.........would most easily understand, and more meaningfully affect them?

4.......Is the "destruction of differentiation" you allude to between "parties and their concepts".......a national or world-wide phenomena?
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I hope I have expressed these questions clear enough so that you might understand my intentions and speak more fully your ideas. I am not trying to challenge them.
83 posted on 12/03/2003 2:26:35 PM PST by onemoreday
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To: Calpernia; gcruse
Psst, RJ, don't let GCruse fool you. This is how he flirts. He secretly has a crush on me.

Can't be certain (being a hetero) but I think gary is a pretty good catch. You are one lucky woman.

84 posted on 12/03/2003 2:45:23 PM PST by RJCogburn ("Is that what they call grit in Fort Smith? We call it something else in Yell County." Mattie Ross)
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To: Hill Street Blues
The 1930’s were known as the Red Decade. It was an era when American culture and political thought were becoming increasingly leftist in orientation.

Read Later BUMP

85 posted on 12/03/2003 3:13:38 PM PST by Pagey (Hillary Rotten is a Smug and Holier- than- Thou Socialist)
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To: onemoreday
I appreciate the post, but point out, I am only synthesizing ideas that I have borrowed from people smarter than myself. I suggest two months of reading Chronicles and Lew Rockwell as the best way to understand the critique and unlearn some of the assumptions we bring to the table about the current situation.

The point is not to agree with the writers and intellectuals that make up the Old Right, but to understand the critique, borrow from it when you agree, and formulate a response when you disagree. The Old Right shuns 'ideological purity' and demands a wide open debate with everything on the table.

1. It all depends on your current ideological position. In the Hayek/Austrian libertarian model, German/Italian fascism and Communism are essentially the same, though Murray Rothbard in the United States made a profound distinction that the fascists still allowed for private property ownership.

The Depression was caused, in the libertarian and conservative model, by the Fed's inability to provide the market with paper currency. The Left generally sees the Great Depression as 'capitalism and greed' and more recently something about the Smoot-Harley tariff act.

FDR in 1932, ran on a "libertarian-conservative" platform of reduced taxes and a balanced budget, but of course never delivered. He was mostly elected because Hoover was seen as both ineffective but also because of General MacArthur's attack on US veterans, the Bonus Army-- the Waco of its day. MacArthur had stated he believe the Bonus Army was really a Communist outfit and a legit threat to the United States.

You can see there was an air of paranoia that would extend well into the 60s, but not completely unreasonable if you look at the experience of the Weimar Republic and how Hitler came to power as a defense but the property elite against Communists.

Those who lean towards conspiracy theory argue that the currency shortage was intentional, used as a means of driving banks out of business and insuring federalis banking supremacy. Prior to the Fed Bank takeover, Presidents could not simply print the difference and sell debt to foreign speculators the way they have doing for 60 years. It resulted in a major if not final transfer of power from the state to the DC-regime.

One of the reasons the federalis got away with it is that with the Soviet victory in World War II (Britain and France were essentially defeated) there was only one true "safe" economy, with the demise of the British sterling, to put one's wealth. This allowed for the tremendous credit expansion in the post-War period as foreigners bought dollars. In order to resist inflation with printing so much money, there was a need for cheap imports and hence the ruling class signed on with managed trade, which they call "free trade." NAFTA, GAT, IMF etc. It was a complete corruption of the language.

At some point, the factory owners (patriotic American business men, be they Christians, liberals, or conservatives) were replaced with stock boards and managers who went to school (Ivy League no doubt) with the lawyers and gubmint politicians who looked to manage the economy. The 1930 marked the rise of a new ruling class of Managers, and the death of the ruling class that had been in place since the post Civil War Era.

2. Yes, but its more than just 'simplistic.' There are artificial parameters put into the debate that have been indoctrinated into the populace through the centralized education system, a concept born from the Prussian Junkers in the early 1800 by the way.

Lincoln, FDR, Teddy Roosevelt, three of the most psychotic and blood thirsty men to ever hold the office are revered, while the fore fathers have been written off as aristocratic slave owning white men who did not want to pay their taxes anymore. How many people know that Hitler wrote glowingly of Lincoln's consolidationist policies in Mein Kampf or that Marx wrote Lincoln a letter of congratulations? On page 566 of the 1999 Mariner/Houghton Mifflin edition of Mein Kampf Hitler clearly expresses the Lincoln/Jaffa view: "[T]he individual states of the American Union . . . could not have possessed any state sovereignty of their own. For it was not these states that formed the Union, on the contrary it was the Union which formed a great part of such so-called states."

Rather than talk about eliminating the income tax, tremendous resources are used to either move it two points this way or that way, at the same time, the government used the printing press to devalue the currency. Its a completely meaningless debate!

Libertarians and conservatives generally have agreed to look at the USSR as a unique proposition, but after the Cold War, many conservatives and libertarians (call it the rebirth of the Old Right) were ready to return to the ways of Old, in the pre-national security state. Reagan, rhetorically speaking if not in action, was a libertarian, Old Right conservative in this matter, even if he governed as it turned out, as a protector if not a savior of the Welfare State.

The younger of us, discovered the movement in the 1990s as a reaction to the Clinton administration and as a political force, we were generally speaking, used to provide a check on what was a popular President with a popular centrist program. We came from the ranks of political correctness fascism on our college campuses and generally question everything and like a wide open debate.

The split for many of us came over Serbia when the neocons threatened to bolt the GOP if they did not back Clinton's war on the Serbs. That was a 'does not compute' moment, and many of us started looking for other writers and intellectuals on the right who wrote critiques of the neocons.

Libertarians, BTW, produced a theory on a government bureaucracies that look to find reasons to continue to exist. In the past 15 years, the CIA switched from using radical Islam to fight Communism to pursuing other agendas like in the old Yugoslavia. The '9/11 as blowback' critique stems from this historical fact.

3) "A strategy for the right." I am probably not a good one for you to ask as I am fairly radicalized and you may well be Mainstream Right, but I favor regionalism and home rule over ideological battles against the powerful in a rigged game that pits R's wishing to tax us at 45% and print the difference, and D's wishing to tax us at 47%. Churches are probably the best organizing vehicle for localism as well as the Internet.

Restoring a concept of feeling more attached to your region or state and less attached to the alien tax-regime (patriotism vs nationalism) is the key, IMO.

When Rupert (foreigner), Conrad (foreigner), and Scaife ('80s Cold Warrior) control the major print and television vehicles of the 'Right' I am not sure how we can expect to compete. Public schools will continue to churn out state apologists.

4) Drop the current designation of Rs and Ds and think statists versus anti-statists. Ruling elite (line in DC, Hollywood, or Manhattan, amoral, non-Western, non-Christian, non-patriotic) vs America (flyover country, Bubba, Homer Simpson, drunk Irishmen who make it to work on time and Mass every Sunday, stoic Midwesterners, radical individualists of the West...)

The Rs and Ds are two sides of the same coin (statists) and there is really no effective anti-statist coalition in the United States or much of the world. However, the statists have bankrupted the country to the tune of $22 trillion. The end of this ruling class is ordained, be it 15 or 75 years.

The state was revealed as a phony, i.e. it was unable to fulfill it's raison d'être, national security. It will take a while for people to figure it out; there are still too many Cold Warrior types who think tanks and bombs and flag waiving (nationalism) is 'conservatism.' But the forces at play are larger than even Karl Rove can control.

In the meantime Christian Patriots (libertarians are mostly focused on getting off the grid) should continue to play a role in the debate, but they should not subjugate their God for the state, a known liar and thief.

86 posted on 12/04/2003 6:23:41 AM PST by JohnGalt (And I'm saying that men can live together without butchering one another. -Josey Wales)
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To: JohnGalt
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......John.........

thank-you...........as I contemplate today's society, I am mostly struck by the absence of a "language-of-reality" that truly captures the feelings and values which are most pertinent to ME.

As I read many of the postings here.....which seem to portray the world as the "lubya-dubyas" v. the "bush-bashers".......(of course...if you use the word "hate" somewhere this is "deep")........replete with "labelled pictures of Hillary and swoonings for Ann Coulter,et al....

......I actually feel a bit frightened........as if I am in the midst of some mob-mentality brought together to mask a sense of impotence and irrelevancy.

I have my own spiritual/religious beliefs and value system....but am reluctant to give them "names".....for I feel no "communion" with others who use the same names.

Even the word "American" seems totally compromised......"patriot"...with no historical perspective these terms seem as if just another emotional attempt to "capture" me.

My "local community" is just those who think for themselves. the "state----Big Govt." is that which has captured all the rest.

The terms of today's debate seem to confuse the issue of whether or not I should "care about" these captured souls with the issue of "economic welfare"

The Aristocracy uses many words and issues to disguise their power. Most people seem to be just looking for the "nicest story for their slavery"

I DO feel, in a sense, in a "quandry"

Hence my asking if the......"political language" will ever prove adequate.

At the heart of it....I feel a real anger but refuse to let it "dribble"meaninglessly away.

Why no-one sees thru the big Lie to the big Picture is beyond my experience to comprehend.

So many posters here still see a liberal media v. foxnews war in which we are finally winning the hearts and minds of America!

But to what?

This remains unanswered.

So, I trust you can see the "drift" of my thinking and I hope you might add something beneficial
87 posted on 12/04/2003 10:40:57 AM PST by onemoreday
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To: onemoreday
The DC-tax regime is $22 trillion in debt and in this late stage, can only fight debt financed wars fought by teenage girls and provide more welfare for its old people.

It is destined to collapse under its own weight.

But in its place we will need Christian patriots and conservative humanists steeped in the teachings of the West on culture and self-government, so there is plenty to do before the inevitable fall occurs.

In the meantime, subscribe to Chronicles and read LewRockwell.com.

If you goal is not preservation of your own selfish genes or the preservation of the culture, but to simply "get off the grid", there are places that I can direct you as well.
88 posted on 12/04/2003 10:51:16 AM PST by JohnGalt (How few were left who had seen the Republic!---Tacitus)
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To: JohnGalt
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.......John..........

Your "getting off the grid" comments are well aimed.......

Yet I feel the concept of a "new language paradigm" is not of this "escapist" or "eastern...i.e. "non-christian" mentality.

I would say your use of the word "preserve" in your last paragraph has me baffled.

For myself......I require more than to preserve myself but to actively spread the truths I feel I represent. I sense this is your perspective also.

As to "the Culture"......I really do not know "what-or-where" it is!

I really just want "LIFE" in its original sense and with its intended sense of VALUE and POWER.....ie. LOVE.

I don't know if this is "christian" or "conservative".......I am not sure now how these terms are being used here.............I know what they used to mean.....a long long time ago!

I will read the sites you mention........

......I see in your post the ......."....steeped in the teachings of the West on culture and self-government........"

and its deeper meaning is starting to come thru.

The nature and brutality that will occur during ..."......the collapse...."

and my thoughts about this makes it appear I "would be off the grid"

I'm trying to "be nimble" here.

89 posted on 12/04/2003 11:28:35 AM PST by onemoreday
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To: JohnGalt; Hill Street Blues; aristeides
FYI:

In the spring of 1943 the US sent to the USSR tens of tons of nuclear materials under the Lend-Lease Program. These shipments included enriched uranium. [See Dark Sun - The Making of the Hydrogen Bomb, by Richard Rhodes, pages 99-100.]

Three things to note here: (a) the Trinity Test was over a year away, (b) the Director of Lend-Lease at the time was one Harry (the "Hop") Hopkins - aka FDR's alter ego, and (c) via the Venona Project, said Hopkins is now known to have been "Agent No. 19."

90 posted on 12/06/2003 10:06:02 AM PST by jamaksin
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