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Dane, you need to study the AWB more. It's not about automatic machine guns. In the name of incrementalism, you are being lured into standing on the opposition's ground and using their selling points.

There are principles so deeply woven into the fabric of liberty that you cannot violate them without ripping the entire pattern. For me, the 2nd amendment and abortion are the two lines in the sand. I will not vote for any candidate that waivers on either issue.

It's not about beating chests, any more than what Patrick Henry said and did was about beating chests. The basic issues and similarities in principle between then and now are remarkably similar. The continued assault upon those principles is already shredding our way of life and our freedom, its just being done in a way that most people will notrecognize it until it all falls apart IMHO.

I'm 100% with Ray on this.

Best Fregards.

Dane, you need to study the AWB more. It's not about automatic machine guns. In the name of incrementalism, you are being lured into standing on the opposition's ground and using their selling points

I'm not being lured into anything. I am just looking at the modern political reality of 2003. Like I said before Americans believe in firearms ownership, but the AWB ban would also have their support due to the way it is publicized. Arguements of Patrick Henry are going to be heard by deaf ears by 80% of the American population. 80% wins elections, not the 20% who will be receptive to the Patrick Henry arguements.

You may not like it, but that's the way it is. It is to easy to believe your own press on FR, but FR is only one small part of the real world.