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Dane, you need to study the AWB more. It's not about automatic machine guns. In the name of incrementalism, you are being lured into standing on the opposition's ground and using their selling points

I'm not being lured into anything. I am just looking at the modern political reality of 2003. Like I said before Americans believe in firearms ownership, but the AWB ban would also have their support due to the way it is publicized. Arguements of Patrick Henry are going to be heard by deaf ears by 80% of the American population. 80% wins elections, not the 20% who will be receptive to the Patrick Henry arguements.

You may not like it, but that's the way it is. It is to easy to believe your own press on FR, but FR is only one small part of the real world.

My argeument was not about the Patrick Henry statement...that was nothing more than an add on which you then focused upon. My principle statement was about your non-factual statement regarding fully automatic machine guns and linking that to the AWB, which you did not address.

In doing so, whether you like it or not, you are being lured into standing on the opposition's ground, spouting their lies and misrepresentations regarding this issue and negatively effecting the very public sentiment you are clamoring about.

Public sentiment regarding our most basic liberties that is based on a lie is dangerous Dane and should be opposed at all costs.

Fregards.