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Utah Polygamist Invokes Ruling on Gay Sex
AP ^ | December 1, 2003 | MARK THIESSEN

Posted on 12/01/2003 5:01:52 PM PST by Kay Soze

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To: scripter
"AIDS targets homosexual behavior, monogamous or not."

?!?!?!Huh?!?!? Oh what the hell are you worried about then?! Aids obviously hhunts down gays and infects them all willy-nilly unlike Heterosexuals?!

As far as evidence to support my claims go. It's everywhere. Heterosexuals and homosexuals are getting STDs everyday and where as on a per capita basis it may be more prevelent in the gay community it's also prevelent in heterosexual communities. No I wonder if one group is more sexually active than the other and wonder what the degree of personal responsiblity and caution is amongest the people that do get infected?!

By the way did you realize that over 80% of serial killers are white males?! I think we should stop allowing white male children into society because of the dispoportionate rate of white serial killers. . .

161 posted on 12/03/2003 2:56:14 PM PST by Tempest
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To: Liberal Classic
That's a good question. I haven't seen any studies on heterosexual polygamy myself but I may do some digging.
162 posted on 12/03/2003 3:48:18 PM PST by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: Tempest
As far as evidence to support my claims go. It's everywhere.

Okay, so post it. Don't forget your evidence needs to support your claim of propaganda:

Homosexual behavior results in severe health hazards that can affect all of us.

Homosexuals, being around 2% (including bisexuals) of the population, account for a third of child molestations. Sources: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.

There is absolutely no evidence homosexuality is genetic.

Homosexuals can change their behavior. That's just one of many links. You can find more of the same here and here.

The above from my post 64.

Don't forget posts 113, 114, 121 and 158.
163 posted on 12/03/2003 3:54:16 PM PST by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: scripter
"Okay, so post it. Don't forget your evidence needs to support your claim of propaganda"

You seem really intent upon regurgitating the same ole song and dance yet incapable of having a logical disussion if your just going to keep pointing to the same crap sources over and over again as opposed to engaging in an open and logical debate then I really fail to see your point.

It seems to me that you don't have an actual arguement of your own and just resort to reposting the same ole ad hominem propaganda in which their religous conotations and agenda is clear. I don't expect the church to accept homosexuality as decent behaviour and that's fine. You shouldn't expect everyone else in this country to think that we live under a theocracy.

Once again in case you haven't gotten it yet. STDs can be transmitted by anybody who engages in sex regardless of sexual orientation and the chances increase due to your level of responsibility and promiscuity. Regardless of sexual orientation. Now what kind of freaking statistics do you need in order to understand that simple concept?!

164 posted on 12/03/2003 4:41:45 PM PST by Tempest
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To: scripter
Ohhhh!!! Oh!!! Look! I found a little factoid that says that we need to look teens in the closet until they're 21.

http://www.heritageservices.org/finalstd.html

They're the cause of STD's!!! Let's legislate something against them!
165 posted on 12/03/2003 4:48:37 PM PST by Tempest
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To: Tempest
You seem really intent upon regurgitating the same ole song and dance yet incapable of having a logical disussion if your just going to keep pointing to the same crap sources over and over again as opposed to engaging in an open and logical debate then I really fail to see your point.

Um, I posted some well referenced sources and you claimed they were propaganda and you have used misdirection and straw man arguments each time I asked you to support your statements. If you want a discussion let's discuss what I've posted, and we can start with your evidence that what I posted is propaganda. That is, unless you want to take your comment back. Your move.

166 posted on 12/03/2003 5:17:10 PM PST by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: Tempest
Ohhhh!!! Oh!!! Look! I found a little factoid that says that we need to look teens in the closet until they're 21.

I'm glad to see you're at least looking for something to discredit what I've posted. Unfortunately, your above comments misrepresent what was stated at the link, and the contents have nothing to do with supporting your propaganda comment. Your use of misdirection will not make this go away.

167 posted on 12/03/2003 5:22:10 PM PST by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: Tempest
"I thought that one of the basis of conservatism was to remove big goverment from our private lives?!"

Yes, but the problem is that government is ALREADY in our lives with respect to marriage. Taxes, insurance coverage, the courts and their treatment of divorce, etc. The only reason homosexuals want marriage recognized is so that they can reap some of the benefits of having a marriage that is recognized by the law. Get rid of the various legal benefits and penalties associated with marriage, then MAYBE I could understand the case for recognizing gay marriage. But you see, once you do that, the only authority on marriage is the church, most varieties of which DON'T recognize homosexual "unions" as marriage.

On the other hand, one could make the case that government has reason to support only heterosexual marriage, for the simple reason that only a man and a woman can produce children. And since the country needs children (a.k.a. future producers and tax payers), the government has an incentive to ENCOURAGE heterosexual marriage and the children that it produces. Homosexual couples cannot produce children (not yet, anyway), and therefore cannot contribute to the "greater good" by producing offspring, and hopefully raising them to be decent people and good citizens.

168 posted on 12/03/2003 5:30:29 PM PST by Sicon
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To: jimt
Where's the slur?

Where's the ridicule?

The LDS organization's belief is NOT 'Orthodox' Christianity. It is an add on, less than 200 years old.

Would you call the Episcopalian homosexual acceptance a part of 'Orthodox' Christianity or an abberation?
169 posted on 12/04/2003 4:29:49 AM PST by Elsie (Don't believe every prophecy you hear: especially *** ones........)
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To: GulliverSwift
"I do think this guy will lose his appeal but in a few more years, the left will finally line up behind polygamy, especially if we get more Muslims in this country."

Bingo!! You are dead-on re: that which is/will be key factor in the successful extremist Islamification of the Western world.

Just where are the bid, bad, bold, and loud "feminists" when they have a golden opportunity to advance from being mere idiots to "useful idiots?"

And they should be encouraged to look up the terms "shariah," "infibulation," and "flogging" in their shiny and up-to-date sets of the Encyclopedia Britannica.....

170 posted on 12/04/2003 9:41:57 AM PST by tracer
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To: Elsie
"The LDS organization's belief is NOT Orthodox'Christianity."

Agreed. And such is a point -- in fact, "The Point" -- that we openly declare and readily discuss.

But, in the end, we do indeed worship Jesus Christ as the Savior of all mankind and the Only Begotten Son of God, our Heavenly Father.

And far from "demoting" Jesus the Christ, as we are often accused of doing through our doctrine and works, we also consider Him to be one and the same with Jehovah, the God of the Old Testament, who righteously did, does, and always will act in accordance with and obedience to the will of His (and our) Father, Elohim, who generally is referred to and properly worshipped as God the Father.......

171 posted on 12/04/2003 9:55:54 AM PST by tracer
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To: Liberal Classic
"For the sake of argument, does heterosexual polygamy have the same risks?"

It stands to reason that it all depends on whom a person is having sex within a polygamous relationship....

172 posted on 12/04/2003 10:00:07 AM PST by tracer
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To: Elsie
"They want to make their religion appear as close to Orthodox Christianity as possible!"

That assertion is completely at odds with what we have declared, preached, and done since the Church was established in this, the Dispensation of the Fulness of Times.......

173 posted on 12/04/2003 10:05:40 AM PST by tracer
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To: tracer
Does Orthodox Christianity have secret sacred temple ceremonies?

Does the LDS organization have secret sacred temple ceremonies?

174 posted on 12/04/2003 12:22:53 PM PST by Elsie (Don't believe every prophecy you hear: especially *** ones........)
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To: tracer
The LDS group that STAYED in Missouri (RLDS) has changed THEIR name to: "Community of Christ"

Are you of THIS group or the Utah offshoot?

175 posted on 12/04/2003 12:27:40 PM PST by Elsie (Don't believe every prophecy you hear: especially *** ones........)
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To: Elsie
I'm a member of the main-line, original, Utah Church (12 million members and growing, now more US members than those of the Jewish faith in the US), as opposed to the Missouri-based "offshoot" that is approaching extinction....
176 posted on 12/04/2003 1:34:20 PM PST by tracer
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To: Elsie
No to the first. Yes to the second. And you are accurate and astute to make the distinction between secret and sacred.

BTW, when you use a capital "O" when referring to "orthodox Christianity" in general, you appear to be making reference to the Orthodox Church, a Constantinople-based, world-wide denomination which includes Greek, Russian, Serbian, and other groups (called "rites" by them).

I was raised in the Greek Orthodox Church and, with or without me, they remain a conservative and Christ-focused denomination. My widowed mother still is an active member of the Greek Orthodox Church and we respect each others' views and religious activities.

As a general observation, I must say that Christians of all types, Jews, moderate "non-hijacked" Muslims (who now are numbered amongst the targets of Islamofascists), Hindus, etc. must stand firmly together to face a fanatical force which, as it has declared, seeks to "convert" by force -- unto death -- the entire world.

"Range wars" carried out on the FR and elsewhere between Roman Catholics, evangelical Christians, bona fide Muslims, religious Jews, etc., etc., are counter-productive and waste time, effort, and resources that would be better spent resisting that which increasingly resembles the scriptural description of the Anti-Christ which defines victory as the destruction of the free agency of God's children. It is my sincere belief that we indeed are in the latter-days, and accordingly we must work together and, insofar as possible, in love and harmony to prepare the earth for the coming of the Messiah and His eternal triumph over Satan. Truth, resolve, courage, devotion our Father in Heaven, abound and transcend issues of denomination and affiliation -- and they exist wherever they can be found....

177 posted on 12/04/2003 2:00:15 PM PST by tracer
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To: tracer
You're right about the big 'O' -- I did not intend that distinction.

And I agree about what you have bolded, but am a bit confused about what you mean by: 'bona fide Muslims'.


I was raised in the Greek Orthodox Church ...

Interesting.........

Could you explain what it was about LDS teachings that convinced you that the GOC was not enough?

178 posted on 12/04/2003 7:23:18 PM PST by Elsie (Don't believe every prophecy you hear: especially *** ones........)
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