[Burkeman1]

I think your right. Something is wrong here. But it is usually best to wait a few days. First reports of things are almost always wrong. I am sure some of the facts that we are basing our speculation on are wrong as so often happens in war.

[mikegi]

Something is wrong here. But it is usually best to wait a few days. First reports of things are almost always wrong. I am sure some of the facts that we are basing our speculation on are wrong as so often happens in war.

Yep, something is wrong here. It's your assumption that there aren't a bunch of dead Iraqis because the Iraqis say there aren't any. Do you expect the people in this openly pro-Saddam town to admit to a huge defeat??? Don't you think it's a teensy tiny bit suspicious that the hospital's doctor reported that "mainly civilians" were killed? Who was firing the AK-47s and RPGs? They all got away?

I guess you simply toss aside the quotes from our own soldiers that the enemy "had the training to stand and fight". Our guys engaged them at close range, close enough to see hits. Are our soldiers in on this con job?