U.S. soldier accused of beating Iraqi prisoners says, `It is war'

SFgate ^ | (11-25) 10:26 PST PHILADELPHIA (AP) -- | DAVID B. CARUSO

[ConservativeMan55]

U.S. soldier accused of beating Iraqi prisoners says, `It is war'

One of four American MPs charged with beating prisoners of war at a detention camp in Iraq said Tuesday: "We were doing our jobs. ... It is war. It is not back home where everybody is safe."

[ConservativeMan55]

"How do you know she did nothing wrong?"

Because she claims she did nothing wrong. Thats all I need.

[ConservativeMan55]

How do you propose dealing with prisoners that attack guards daily?

In a prison of 8000?

We don't want them to like us. We want them to FEAR us.

[MPJackal]

Isn't that what OJ, Mikey Jackson, Robert Blake, oh, and Billy Clinton say also?

[r9etb]

Because she claims she did nothing wrong. Thats all I need.

And you probably also believe he's spending every waking moment looking for Nicole's real killer, too.

[r9etb]

GMTA....

[ConservativeMan55]

"Isn't that what OJ, Mikey Jackson, Robert Blake, oh, and Billy Clinton say also?"

You are equating people and situations that should not be equated. OJ, Michael Jackson, Robert Blake and Bill Clinton were not credible figured in the middle of a war.

They weren't attacked. They didn't have a clean history. And the figures going up against them weren't terrorist scumbags.

[ConservativeMan55]

"Isn't that what OJ, Mikey Jackson, Robert Blake, oh, and Billy Clinton say also?"

You are equating people and situations that should not be equated. OJ, Michael Jackson, Robert Blake and Bill Clinton were not credible figures in the middle of a war.

They weren't attacked. They didn't have a clean history. And the figures going up against them weren't terrorist scumbags.

[Eagle Eye]

You didn't even read the article, did you?

Yeah, you Iraqi sympathizer, I not only read it, I posted a quote from it. That's more than you did to support your position.

The article describes the guards beating the prisoners. It also says that they said it was self defense. There is nothing in there about it be an unprovoked attack as you claimed. That means you lied in order to take sides against the US soldiers.

You defaulted to the Iraqi's and there is no way out of that. Calling you a POS was an insult to shog in the worst privies in the third world.

[MPJackal]

That really is irrelevant to your comment. Her (who don't think you know) statement is all the FACTS you need. Solid evidence. That was my point.

[ConservativeMan55]

Her statement is all I need. She is a credible person going up against a terrorist.

She is the only one that describes the situation.

[r9etb]

You defaulted to the Iraqi's and there is no way out of that.

No -- I defaulted to the findings of the American military investigators who have worked on this case.

Calling you a POS was an insult to shog in the worst privies in the third world.

From this I conclude that you're intimately familiar with fecal matter world-wide. No wonder you didn't want to tell us what you do in (allegedly) Iraq.

[Poohbah]

Because she claims she did nothing wrong. Thats all I need.

Every guy I knew in the Marines who went to NJP or got court-martialed said the exact same thing.

I think I'll take the word of those who actually investigated the charges over your word, and the word of every brig rat I ever chased.

[MPJackal]

You don't think Bill Clinton is credible? I am shocked.

[commonerX]

I think everyone deserves a good beating once and awhile, Keeps you obediant and teaches you not ask questions as we all shouldn't question what we are told.

[ConservativeMan55]

Fine. Take the Iraqi side if you want to.

But it remains to be seen that NO ONE. Not a single soul has accused her of beating the Iraqi prisoner unprovoked.

[Eagle Eye]

YOU said it was unprovoked.

SHE said it was self defense.

YOU said it was unprovoked.

YOU called her claim a lie.

YOU took sides against the enemy and willingly told fibs to do it.

Shawna can watch my back any day. At least she has some guts.

[mrsmith]

"The military does have a legal system that works pretty well. We don't have the smoke and mirrors of the civilian system. The facts will come out. The one thing that seems to be a trend on FR is people forgetting that one of the foundations of the military is discipline. Without that we won't defeat anyone. Soldiers must obey orders even when they do not agree. And dealing with 25 million civilians is complex no matter where you go in the world. And actions such as this have an effect on that. "

Here here!

Nothings perfect but the USMC works very well.

The military, that understands the situation they were in, will do a fair job of judging their actions.

It does sound like the sheer number of surrenders caused a problem in this case, but I trust the military to decide where any fault lies.

Prisoners must be treated as humanely as possible so the enemy will not be encouraged to fight instead of surrendering.

[ConservativeMan55]

"Prisoners must be treated as humanely as possible so the enemy will not be encouraged to fight instead of surrendering."

Are you French? Haven't you ever heard about peace through force?

[commonerX]

I guess we can all now forgive and understand the Japanese and Germans for the way they treated prisoners after all it was War.

[ConservativeMan55]

Uhhh. defending yourself from an attack is quite different from torture.